re: The Official Comic Book Hero Tournament Round IV (Voting Open)

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Thor
Shazam
Flash
Superman

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What is a ms.marvel?

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After some research, it turns out in out right battles that Hulk has beaten Thor 5x out of 7x.

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Just means Thor's due.

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How do you figure? What are you basing this on? He didn't go through a transformation.

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His extreme rage came mostly from the death of wife, which he blamed on the betraying acts of the illuminati. So he's consequently much stronger at that point. It's a very different quality of anger than that caused by being hit with a hammer from a random dude.

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Really? This is the argument to use against Shazam?

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Was meant as a half joke, real answer on Page 2.


But I stick by its ridiculousness in the face of other ridiculous arguments.

But Shazam doesn't need to use his lightening. If his strength and speed are on par with Superman's, and don't see Ms. Marvel being able to beat him. It would be a close fight, but Shazam is just to strong and fast for her imo.

ETA: And since Hulk has apparently beaten Thor more times than Thor has beaten him, I guess I'll have to go with Hulk (although I'm still on the edge here with this one). But 5 out of 7 times is a pretty big margin iyam.

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His extreme rage came mostly from the death of wife, which he blamed on the betraying acts of the illuminati. So he's consequently much stronger at that point

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This is a fair point, i'll give you that!

However, what this lets us know is that he has the capacity for the type of power. So he is capable of tapping into it. I'd be willing to bet that he could and would. A person can only become so angry before it simply turns in to blind uncontrollable rage.

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But I stick by its ridiculousness in the face of other ridiculous arguments.

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I'm ok with Flash being able to get to BB before BB can react. I mean speed is his thing. And this is a gladiator style tournament, so they'd both be ready to attack the minute the fight started. But I don't know if I'm sold yet on whether or not Flash could hurt BB when he got to him.

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I'm ok with Flash being able to get to BB before BB can react. I mean speed is his thing. And this is a gladiator style tournament, so they'd both be ready to attack the minute the fight started. But I don't know if I'm sold yet on whether or not Flash could hurt BB when he got to him.

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I hate the fact that people act like Flash has never taken a punch before.

Just my opinion but Black Bolt takes this one walking away.

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But Shazam doesn't need to use his lightening. If his strength and speed are on par with Superman's, and don't see Ms. Marvel being able to beat him. It would be a close fight, but Shazam is just to strong and fast for her imo.

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You know that, Shazam doesn't. And maybe he thinks he needs it. He doesn't know her, this is a fight in a field.


Alright, so let's do a direct comparison courtesy of comic vine:

Strength:

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H is for the strength of Hercules, strongest of the gods. Billy is empowered with Hercules' nearly limitless superhuman-strength which is often compared to, rivals/ matches and possibly surpasses that of Superman. As such, Captain Marvel's strength is of the highest level and is sufficiently vast enough that it enables him to lift/move unbelievably massive and/or heavy objects possibly on a planetary scale or higher with little effort. Because his strength level is so high and potentially dangerous, Billy Batson constantly uses great restraint, thus he usually only uses as much strength or force as is necessary to accomplish whatever his given task or challenge requires. Because of this he is not often seen moving objects of a planetary scale though accomplishing such tasks are well within his abilities

Superhuman Strength - Captain Marvel has the ability to lift well over 100 tons with minimal effort and has battled top tier beings such as Superman, Wonder Woman and Black Adam. Captain Marvel has stalemated Superman in an arm wrestling contest and has at least matched Wonder Woman in raw strength. The limits, if there actually are any, of Captain Marvel's strength are unknown.

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Super Strength: When she originally became Ms. Marvel, Carol's strength level was such that she could lift approximately 50 tons under normal conditions. This made her many times stronger than heroes such as Spider-Man, but not as strong as others such as the Thing. Ms. Marvel was shown easily lifting and hurling cars and tanks, tearing through five-inch steel with her bare hands, and shattering reinforced concrete with her fists. It was this strength level that the mutant Rogue acquired after stealing Carol's original Ms. Marvel powers.

Being captured and experimented on by the Brood awakened an almost godlike level of power in Carol due to her unique Kree/human genetic configuration, causing her to become Binary. As Binary, Carol could tap into the energy of a white hole, giving her class-100 strength, meaning she could easily lift well over 100 tons under normal conditions. Her strength level became so great that it was never accurately quantified.

After losing her Binary powers and reverting back to Ms. Marvel, Carol's strength dropped much closer to its original level, though it was still greater than before. She could now lift 75 tons under normal conditions, making her approximately fifty percent stronger than she was prior to losing her powers to Rogue. Under extreme circumstances Carol has shown the ability to tap into her cosmic Binary powers once again, allowing her to reach class-100 strength levels for brief periods. She has also shown an ability to achieve class-100 strength if she has absorbed a great deal of external energy.

Recent tests by Avengers scientist Hank Pym have shown that Ms. Marvel's base strength level is still increasing. Even when not augmented by any additional energy, Carol can now lift 92 tons and strike with a similar level of force, and Pym has theorized that this is likely not her limit.

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Advantage Shazam, but not by much if he has a mental block and restrains himself.

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M for Mercury
M is for the speed of Mercury, swiftest of the gods. This grants Marvel his god-like speed and his power to fly.

Superhuman Speed - Captain Marvel is able to move at incredible speeds and is able to move so fast that he can seem invisible to the eye of the human being. Captain Marvels speed is said to surpass even that of Superman and rival that of the Flash.

Flight - The power of Mercury grants Captain Marvel the ability to defy gravity. With this, he is able to travel through space and through the atmosphere of the Earth at incredible speeds.

Teleportation - Captain Marvel has the ability to transport to the Rock of Eternity from wherever he is at by speeding between the space between dimensions.

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Super Speed: Ms. Marvel has the ability move at supersonic speeds, making her literally too fast for the human eye to follow. She can achieve speeds of at least Mach-3 during atmospheric flight and has shown the ability to hit even greater velocities when the need arises. At her Binary power level, she could achieve faster-than-light speed and journey across the galaxy under her own power.

Super Agility: Ms. Marvel possesses great superhuman agility and reflexes to compliment her superhuman speed. She can perform acrobatic feats far beyond that of the finest human athlete and easily evade bullet-speed projectiles. During the period after Rogue took her powers, but before she regained them, she was stated to have been in peak physical condition - again the result of being a Kree/Human hybrid.

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Probably a push. Flat out speed is probably on Shazam's side, pure agility and mobility is on Ms. Marvel's.

And it doesn't say that like Flash Shazam can actually render the world at a lower speed so that moving fast isn't disorienting.

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You know that, Shazam doesn't. And maybe he thinks he needs it. He doesn't know her, this is a fight in a field.

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But Shazam's first move in a fight has never been his lightening. That is his last resort move (at least in all of his fights that I can remember).

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but not by much if he has a mental block and restrains himself.

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We have already established in earlier rounds that the combatants know they are in a death match. So none of them would be holding back in this one.

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Strength: Advantage Shazam

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Approximately twice as strong by those comparisions.

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Captain Marvels speed is said to surpass even that of Superman and rival that of the Flash.

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Dang, I didn't realize he was faster than Superman. But I think they may have taken it a bit far with the rivaling Flash bit.

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Captain Marvels healing factor is also of a godly level and is able to heal himself from almost all injuries in an incredible amount of time.

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Apparently he doesn't need the lightening to heal himself, or am I misreading that?