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re: Do you think the NOLA-BR rail could work?
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:22 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:22 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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As far as Baton Rouge public transportation, no one on this board seems to want any.
BR is too built up for any kind of public transit infrastructure to be added without a ridiculous cost. That alone would seem to make this idea a failure, because it'd largely be a one way trip for Baton Rougeans to New Orleans on nights and weekends. I would certainly use it though, probably go to more Pelicans games and hit the FQ more often if I didn't have to worry about driving. This whole idea is probably being pushed by NO. Get the state or feds to pay for importing more tourists from BR.
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:26 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
I'd love for Baton Rouge to have quality mass transportation.. I believe in streetcars (trolleys).. Bussing though isn't the answer.. If they start slowly with transportation from a few areas to downtown and allow proper zoning along the routes.. It could be winner.. Chances of that happenings..very small
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:30 pm to TigerinATL
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BR is too built up for any kind of public transit infrastructure to be added without a ridiculous cost. That alone would seem to make this idea a failure, because it'd largely be a one way trip for Baton Rougeans to New Orleans on nights and weekends. I would certainly use it though, probably go to more Pelicans games and hit the FQ more often if I didn't have to worry about driving. This whole idea is probably being pushed by NO. Get the state or feds to pay for importing more tourists from BR.
The major draw I see going to BR would be Sat nights at Tiger Stadium. It would also drive BR to develop more of their downtown. You have to have some sort of draw if you want people to go there.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:32 pm to TigerinATL
If you read the study, they are talking about operating costs exceeding revenues from riders by 6.9 million dollars.
210,00 riders, 2.1 million in revenues from riders and 8 million dollars a year to run the system.
Nope, we don't need it.
210,00 riders, 2.1 million in revenues from riders and 8 million dollars a year to run the system.
Nope, we don't need it.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:32 pm to TigerinATL
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BR is too built up for any kind of public transit infrastructure to be added without a ridiculous cost.
That doesn't make any sense.
Of course it could be added without ridiculous cost - that is, unless you think spending anything at all on mass transit is ridiculous.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:33 pm to TJG210
I did a liitle research last night after the game when I couldn't sleep. So I will try to answer your questions.
If it worked anything like some of the commuter rail other cities they would have more trains running on game weekends or festivals.
According to 3 studies I read, even though commuter rail doesn't reduce congestion it does slow the rate of congestion growth. So any additional traffic things (i.e BR loop) would work even better.
Well according to the study it would take 7 years to get it up and running so you are looking at 2020-2025. The FuturEBR plan has a much improved public transport plan. The idea of streetcars in has been mentioned and CATS is proposing some BRT routes by 2030. Also if the initial lines are halfway succesful they will probably add more runs.
If BR-NOLA continue to grow the combined population could easily be 3 million by 2030-2040, you could expand the lines from BR to LP to help with congestion on I-12 and from NOLA to the northshore (if needed).
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OK.....but you can't build something that expensive and it only get heavy use a handful amount of times per year. What about capacity? If you manage to take two loads up to Baton Rouge on game day, are you going to have people at the station at 1am waiting to get on to come back to New Orleans if the first train leaves BR after the game at 10?
If it worked anything like some of the commuter rail other cities they would have more trains running on game weekends or festivals.
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Do you like sitting in traffic?
According to 3 studies I read, even though commuter rail doesn't reduce congestion it does slow the rate of congestion growth. So any additional traffic things (i.e BR loop) would work even better.
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No problem with that, but what if you work at the Freeport building/Harrahs at opposite ends of Poydras....probably a lot farther than .5 mile..how about the medical center?
The only viable commercial use would be to have a dedicated following of work commuters and I just don't think the demand is there for that. What do you think the percentage of people who work in the CBD and live in Baton Rouge is?
What about Baton Rouge commuters who live in the outskirt areas....O'Neal Lane, Bluebonnet, Highland Road near the Interstate. Would it make sense for those folks to drive downtown to take a train?
Think about how much more time that would take on a weekly basis.
Well according to the study it would take 7 years to get it up and running so you are looking at 2020-2025. The FuturEBR plan has a much improved public transport plan. The idea of streetcars in has been mentioned and CATS is proposing some BRT routes by 2030. Also if the initial lines are halfway succesful they will probably add more runs.
If BR-NOLA continue to grow the combined population could easily be 3 million by 2030-2040, you could expand the lines from BR to LP to help with congestion on I-12 and from NOLA to the northshore (if needed).
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:36 pm to willthezombie
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willthezombie
I don't know how realistic it is, if at all, but I sort of dig your vision.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:36 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Then take Loyola to Canal, and take Canal up to the VA.
I'll let you wait around for a streetcar at night....
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:39 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I don't know how realistic it is, if at all, but I sort of dig your vision.
i do too. If the local leaders in south louisiana were smart they should give SERIOUS consideration to the idea of a commuter rail system to be in place by 2050. Imagine the traffic clusterfrick in BR if the metro area gets double the size like some are predicting by 2040.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:41 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Of course it could be added without ridiculous cost
People in BR are not going to ride buses. Maybe a limited area trolley like they're talking about for a revitalized downtown/LSU area, but if you want to get anyone but the poorest people using public transit to actually move around the city, they'd have to do some sort of light rail, and BR just seems too built up for that to not be ridiculously expensive.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:41 pm to TROLA
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If they start slowly with transportation from a few areas to downtown and allow proper zoning along the routes.. It could be winner..
I agree. I've thought that a rail line right down Florida Blvd to Denham Springs would work. They could have feeder bus lines at major intersections along the route, like Central Thwy., Sherwood Forest, Airline, Lobdell, Foster/College and Acadian. Complete the grid with lines down Gov't/Old Hammond, Perkins, Highland and Nicholson.
That's one problem I have with BR busses, their routes are awfully circuitous making it hard to figure out where you're going and where to catch which bus.
In NOLA, when you want to take the Magazine bus, you go to Magazine and hop on a bus. It just goes up and down Magazine. The same for Napoleon, or Claiborne or just about any local. Expresses are different.
Word is they want to put a rail line down Nicholson from downtown to campus. I think it's a great idea.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:45 pm to TigerinATL
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do some sort of light rail, and BR just seems too built up for that to not be ridiculously expensive.
Too bad the Cartel made BR tear up all of the existing rail they had already invested in.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:47 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Word is they want to put a rail line down Nicholson from downtown to campus. I think it's a great idea.
So why not have it play double duty? Have essentially two cities commuter rails that connect to each other. People would go down Nicholson to downtown and back during the day, and then on the weekends go to New Orleans and vice versa.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:50 pm to NYNolaguy1
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So why not have it play double duty? Have essentially two cities commuter rails that connect to each other. People would go down Nicholson to downtown and back during the day, and then on the weekends go to New Orleans and vice versa.
Well, the commuter rail would take a different track than urban light rail. But yes, all terminals could be served by both commuter and light rail.
Two great things about streetcars, one is they last for ever with maintenance, while busses have to be completely replaced every few years. The other thing is...
...no roaches. Apparently roaches don't like the high-frequency vibrations caused by the steel on steel traction.
[I don't know if that last one is true, but I remember reading about it years ago in the T-P when they were talking about re-opening the Canal line. I just thought it was funny.]
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:55 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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agree. I've thought that a rail line right down Florida Blvd to Denham Springs would work
actually if you look at where the downtown BR station would be the line runs into a line that runs to Denham springs. LINK They are planning on putting the station on government street, follow the line north and then follow the crossing line east it runs into denham. All they would have to do is build a connection.
ETA: it actually runs all the way to the Hammond Amtrak station. I can't believe there isn't a freight line that connect Hammond and Slidell.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 7:14 pm to willthezombie
BUMP
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:07 pm to TigerinATL
FWIW..... There's a daily bus service from Mandeville to the New Orleans CBD. It's always full. $250/month per person. It drops passengers off at the foot of One Shell Square on Poydars and brings them back to Mandeville in the afternoon. Granted, these are people that used to commute over the Causeway anyway. If marketed properly - and at the right price - I think te BR-NOLA rail might work. Problem is (like the Mandeville bus passengers), you have to commit to an 8 hour +- stay in New Orleans.
Anybody remember when they were considering Northshore - New Orleans Maglev train??
**Also - overview of Rail Corridors in the United States: LINK
Anybody remember when they were considering Northshore - New Orleans Maglev train??
**Also - overview of Rail Corridors in the United States: LINK
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:23 pm to willthezombie
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Do you think the NOLA-BR rail could work?
BR lacks the will to invest in a comprehensive public transportation system, so there's no point to building rail from there to NOLA. And even if BR ever did implement a proper system, lack of density would always be a challenge. I'd love to see BR take it on, but I'd fear it would be done half-assed, which would only serve to waste funds and prove the cynics correct
Regional rail can work though. Despite the issues with MTA, I can't imagine how much worse the already-horrific traffic would be in Maryland without the MARC/commuter buses.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:24 pm to tigerpawl
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Maglev
Posted on 4/8/14 at 11:00 pm to Feed Me Popeyes
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BR lacks the will to invest in a comprehensive public transportation system, so there's no point to building rail from there to NOLA. And even if BR ever did implement a proper system, lack of density would always be a challenge. I'd love to see BR take it on, but I'd fear it would be done half-assed, which would only serve to waste funds and prove the cynics correct
FuturEBR paln
The plan that has already been approved has plans for much improved mass transit. It suppose to be in place by 2030. The rail wouldn't open to probably 2025 at the earliest. now I have my doubts that the BR and NOLA leaders will do it right, but IF they did. I think it could work.
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