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re: Is it possible to be against gay marriage/homosexuality without being a bigot?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:38 pm to Enadious
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:38 pm to Enadious
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Words mean things. Our government at one time recognized married to be defined as between a man and a woman, so I never supported gay marriage. I did support civil unions that had the same rights as marriage. Yes, I know it's only words. But words mean things. I don't like definitions changing to suit a social agenda. The gays can get married now since the government has changed the definition.
As far as homosexuality goes, it's none of my business what consenting adults do. I'm not in favor of children being taught 'alternative life styles.' Let the kids figure it out on their own.
AMEN ^
What ever people want to do is fine with me - just don't require me to celebrate it unless I want to.
I don't like whatever it is that homosexuals do in the 'privacy of their bedrooms' and if they would be satisfied with leaving it there there would be no problems with anyone. However, the new 'rebel without a cause' syndrome advocates seem to think that since homosexuals have been subjected to ridicule in the past that we should all have to celebrate their lifestyle and treat it as though it were a religion.
Instead of just doing what they do, they want to strut around advertising their proclivities and demanding everyone else treat it as sacrosanct.
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:38 pm to RCDfan1950
Own your beliefs. You can't change what others think so forget about it.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:38 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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You really don't like responding to topics do you? I would be interested to see if you could go an entire day by only responding to the question proposed in the OP.
He's just an emotionally driven person.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:40 pm to DCRebel
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In addition, you're doing so along religious lines, a standard which I feel is "unfair" in that it's not a universal or easily agreed upon standard - in a sense, it's arbitrary.
Did you just call an objective view of morality arbitrary?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:41 pm to DCRebel
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That's the refusal to accept someone, in that you believe there is something inherently wrong with them or something that should be fixed. In addition, you're doing so along religious lines, a standard which I feel is "unfair" in that it's not a universal or easily agreed upon standard - in a sense, it's arbitrary.
I view homosexuality in the same lens I would view adultery, theft, liars, etc; that they are rebelling against the will of God
Does that make me bigoted against them?
Yes I believe that all of the above have something wrong with them that needs to be fixed, and that behavior can be fixed by the transforming power of Jesus... but because I believe that does not mean I hate them, or are not accepting of them. Of course I won't accept their sinful behavior, but that doesn't mean I won't accept them as a person or a son of Abraham...
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:42 pm to Antonio Moss
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But should that be the standard for determining law and rights?
Yup.
Unless you are in favor of laws governing your morality. Which works out well in places like Saudi or Egypt (unless you are a non-muslim or a woman).
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:42 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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You really don't like responding to topics do you? I would be interested to see if you could go an entire day by only responding to the question proposed in the OP.
You not liking my response does not equal me not responding to the topic.
by the way...scoreboard.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:43 pm to Paluka
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Question...a lesbian couple chooses to have a baby via artificial insemination. If the biological mother is killed in an accident or something her partner may have no parental rights whatsoever. The Bio-mom's family technically would have all the legal rights.
First, that depends on the various state laws regarding paternity.
Second, that also assumes that the bio-mom has created a will that determines custody.
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Do you see this as a state issue as well? If so, to what degree can state-to-state recipricosity occur?
This is absolutely a state issue (and already is) because the U.S. Constitution does not grant the federal government any control over family law issues.
Reciprocity probably won't be an issue here if said couple wasn't legally married.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:43 pm to moneyg
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Did you just call an objective view of morality arbitrary?
Please. As if there's universal agreement on the moral prescriptions of the Bible. The fact that there are multiple denominations which disagree on everything from war to birth control is evidence enough that the Bible is far from an "objective" inspiration for morality.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:44 pm to asurob1
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Gays are marrying every day in this country.
Did it end your marriage?
Change your life?
It changed the definition of marriage. It's not going to stop with same sex couples. Get ready for multiple partner marriages and who knows what else.
What? You don't want to deny someone equal rights, do you?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:44 pm to DCRebel
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I think the definition hinges on "unfairly" disliking or "refusing to accept" people.
I don't see anywhere in what the OP has said that would relate to this.
unfairly dislike people - nope. You can dislike and act and like the people.
"refusing to accept" - nope. See above.
I think way too many people can't separate disagreement with disliking/hatred/bigotry, yet have no real understanding what bigotry actually is (not saying this is you, just in general).
Now, the redneck that hates figs for being figs, yea, he's a bigot.
I could make all these arguments about people with tattoos. I have no ill feelings towards people with them, but I do not agree with getting a tattoo.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:45 pm to asurob1
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You not liking my response does not equal me not responding to the topic.
You did not respond to the question presented in the OP.
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by the way...scoreboard.
huh
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:45 pm to asurob1
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Yup.
So as long as an individual isn't affected then they have no basis for supporting or opposing government initiatives?
No one in my family is red-headed. That doesn't mean I would be okay with government sanctioned mass incarceration of redheads.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:45 pm to goldennugget
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Is it possible to be against gay marriage/homosexuality without being a bigot?
Of course it is.
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I believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful behavior and not pleasing to God.
The problem is that most conflate the act, the idea, and the IDEAL. All different things. If you believe that the act is sinful, that's fine. As long as you don't want to legislate that, then you aren't really a bigot. But the act shouldn't have anything to do with the legal contract of marriage.
If we were to say, remove the word marriage, call it a civil contract, and put everyone under that, leaving the word marriage to churches and other institutions, would you be opposed to two people of the same sex entering into a legal contract owning rights, properties and other legal necessities including children and/or offspring rights as outlined by the contract? In this case, do you think God would be against that?
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So therefore I oppose gay marriage on these grounds, and believe homosexuality is a sin. I do think that the federal government should get out of marriage, and that the states should decide how to handle marriage.
However I don't think this makes me a hateful anti-gay bigot.
If you believe they should get out of marriage than no, you should feel ok about that. The Christian right is coming from a place that defines marriage, puts the emphasis on the union itself and everything it represents TO THEM, concurrently, the pro-gay marriage left are coming at it from the emotional place of "love." Sure they might mention the rights involved, but everyone has the same rights, so it comes down to being "married," to the "person you love." It's about religion and the sacred/Love on one side, and "Love," as an ideal and emotional bond on the other.
The government shouldn't be involved in either. That's the problem.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:46 pm to goldennugget
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I view homosexuality in the same lens I would view adultery, theft, liars, etc; that they are rebelling against the will of God
lol
the will of god indeed. Rather the will of a bunch of white guys who wrote a book 2000 years ago that no longer has a place in modern society.
By all means continue to live your life by said book.
I am pretty sure you have done your share of sin...because usually its the one who is crying the loudest about any topic that has the most to hide.
Just admit it, you are a bigot. Gays are icky. And you are afraid they are spreading the gay.
You'll feel better about yourself.
But answer this question as you do. Has gay marriage had a single affect on your life, other then you wasting your time typing about it here on tigerdroppings?
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:46 pm to goldennugget
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I view homosexuality in the same lens I would view adultery, theft, liars, etc; that they are rebelling against the will of God
Therein comes the "unfair" part, because I don't think it's fair to find someone morally objectionable based on who they are, particularly if who they are or what they do has no impact on you and your life.
A thief is morally objectionable because he takes SOMEONE ELSE's stuff. How is something like that analogous to homosexuality, which only impacts your life as much as you are willing to let it.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:47 pm to Enadious
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It changed the definition of marriage. It's not going to stop with same sex couples. Get ready for multiple partner marriages and who knows what else.
LOL. Since the bible was okay with multiple partner marriages, where exactly is your problem with them. Since you know the bible is the all-knowing book of knowledge and stuff.
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What? You don't want to deny someone equal rights, do you?
I see zero problem with consenting adults getting married no matter what their situation is...
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:48 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I don't see anywhere in what the OP has said that would relate to this.
Well I do. Surely you read the rest of my post, right?
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I could make all these arguments about people with tattoos. I have no ill feelings towards people with them, but I do not agree with getting a tattoo.
Do you think getting a tattoo should be illegal? I don't like tats either, but if someone wants one then I won't deny them that.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:48 pm to DCRebel
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Please. As if there's universal agreement on the moral prescriptions of the Bible. The fact that there are multiple denominations which disagree on everything from war to birth control is evidence enough that the Bible is far from an "objective" inspiration for morality.
I'd say subjective morality is arbitrary.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:50 pm to Antonio Moss
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No one in my family is red-headed. That doesn't mean I would be okay with government sanctioned mass incarceration of redheads.
I would be, I married one.
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So as long as an individual isn't affected then they have no basis for supporting or opposing government initiatives?
People can have opinions...that's the cool part about America...but those who are against gay marriage because their alleged god told them it was wrong are being good lemmings...
...again, gay marriage has been the law in many states for a while now.
How many straight marriages have collapsed because of it?
The so-called sanctity of marriage has long been a joke given the drive-thru marriages most Americans practice.
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