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re: The Conservative Myth of a Social Safety Net Built on Charity
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:42 pm to Cole Beer
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:42 pm to Cole Beer
is this yet another alter of Rocket's? what was the last one called... cold beer? beer day? shite i cant remember.
eta: beer city, thats it.
eta: beer city, thats it.
This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:43 pm to Zach
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I'm for starvation as a motivator to work.
I'm not for starvation per se, but hunger itself has always been nature's prime motivational factor...
...well, that and getting laid.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:44 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I'm not for starvation per se, but hunger itself has always been nature's prime motivational factor...
...well, that and getting laid.
That's scarcity for you. Scarce goods, scarce time. What will you do with it?
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:46 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I'm not for starvation per se, but hunger itself has always been nature's prime motivational factor...
doesnt seem to work well in India and a host of other places. unless youre ok with homeless/starving people lining the sidewalks of our cities.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:46 pm to HempHead
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for eradicating all forms of government payments to individuals including unemployment insurance (for a limited amount of time), all food stamps, etc., Social security?
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:47 pm to BobBoucher
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doesnt seem to work well in India
once government got out of the way, india is no longer a good example for this. they're churning out upward mobility these days
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:49 pm to BobBoucher
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unless youre ok with homeless/starving people lining the sidewalks of our cities.
Would you rather them stay inside on the sofa eating chips, drinking cold drinks and watching Ellen?
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:50 pm to Zephyrius
From the comments:
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David Koch, is that you?
Didnn't the Koch Brothers just give millions to a hospital?
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:53 pm to a want
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From tariff walls to the continental railroad system to the educated workforce coming out of land-grant schools, the budding industrial power of the United States was always joined with the growth of the government.
Hearty lulz.
Tariffs helped build prosperity? For who? Makers of competing products, certainly not consumers.
Railroads were, at least at the beginning, government boondoggles, enjoying enormous protection and subsidization. It was not until well into the latter half of the 19th century that railroads were economically viable ventures for private investors.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:55 pm to Cole Beer
quote:if your neighbor was starving, would you help him out?
Cole Beer
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:56 pm to Cole Beer
Very solid article.
The author isn't arguing against local or national charities doing all that they can, or downplaying their usefulness. He's pointing to the fact that they've never been anything like what some libertarians envision when they describe private charities and their ability to supplant the government.
The author isn't arguing against local or national charities doing all that they can, or downplaying their usefulness. He's pointing to the fact that they've never been anything like what some libertarians envision when they describe private charities and their ability to supplant the government.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:57 pm to constant cough
quote:Churches, family, and fraternal organizations. The Elks lodge used to be a major provider if healthcare to its members. The Shriners still provide free healthcare to many.
Wasn't just the church people used to rely on this thing called, family.
Government is NOT the only way.
This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:57 pm to FT
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they've never been anything like what some libertarians envision when they describe private charities and their ability to supplant the government.
emigration
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:01 pm to FT
quote:Indeed. And in 1979 almost no one knew what email was, much less demanded it. Using the past to justify future failure isn't very "progressive".
He's pointing to the fact that they've never been anything like what some libertarians envision when they describe private charities and their ability to supplant the government.
This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:05 pm to FT
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The author isn't arguing against local or national charities doing all that they can, or downplaying their usefulness. He's pointing to the fact that they've never been anything like what some libertarians envision when they describe private charities and their ability to supplant the government.
He's a Marxist writing for the Atlantic, which is a Marxist rag. He has no idea what charities and families did 50 years ago before LBJ's Great Society. The GS had one purpose...to ensure that voters got on the govt tit and voted Dem forever.
Gotta admit, it was a great political idea. It's worked.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:06 pm to Cole Beer
I am opposed to government welfare programs on principle, but I am realistic enough to understand that they will never go away. Few government programs ever do.
Welfare programs should be reserved strictly for the neediest and most helpless among us. For those who are not completely incapable of work, welfare should have a time limit. It is horrible that we have multiple generations in this country who grow up on welfare.
The article states that charity doesn't get people out of poverty. To the person who wrote that article I say show me someone who got out of poverty through welfare.
As another poster stated, welfare should, at best, best a holdover for someone who is truly trying to make a better life.
Given the choice, I would rather the percentage of my tax dollars that go to welfare be returned to my so I can send them to the charities of my choosing, knowing that a lot more of my hard-earned money will reach those I hope to help.
Welfare programs should be reserved strictly for the neediest and most helpless among us. For those who are not completely incapable of work, welfare should have a time limit. It is horrible that we have multiple generations in this country who grow up on welfare.
The article states that charity doesn't get people out of poverty. To the person who wrote that article I say show me someone who got out of poverty through welfare.
As another poster stated, welfare should, at best, best a holdover for someone who is truly trying to make a better life.
Given the choice, I would rather the percentage of my tax dollars that go to welfare be returned to my so I can send them to the charities of my choosing, knowing that a lot more of my hard-earned money will reach those I hope to help.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:07 pm to Taxing Authority
And we didn't give up sending letters the moment email was created.
Until charities are able to realistically supplant the work that government does, is it even moderately intelligent to advocate getting rid of all of it?
I'm very in favor of reigning in unnecessary spending and doing all we can to punish abuse.
The article isn't about the abuse you can find in these programs. It's about charity's inability to solve the problems many think they can.
Until charities are able to realistically supplant the work that government does, is it even moderately intelligent to advocate getting rid of all of it?
I'm very in favor of reigning in unnecessary spending and doing all we can to punish abuse.
The article isn't about the abuse you can find in these programs. It's about charity's inability to solve the problems many think they can.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:10 pm to mtntiger
Neither welfare, nor charity, get people out of poverty. I don't believe that either can ever do that. They're meant to help people until they can be independent.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:14 pm to FT
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I'm very in favor of reigning in unnecessary spending and doing all we can to punish abuse.
Give me list of 'unnecessary spending' by govt.
10 items will do.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:23 pm to Cole Beer
i know this is overused on this board, but that excerpt is a classical, prototypical strawman.
first, i still don't know who these mythical "conservatives" are; and secondly, i don't know anyone who articulates any halcyon pre-"safety net" years in that way. no one.
first, i still don't know who these mythical "conservatives" are; and secondly, i don't know anyone who articulates any halcyon pre-"safety net" years in that way. no one.
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