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re: The latest from the EBRPSS fiasco-school board meeting last night
Posted on 3/21/14 at 3:06 pm to dinosaur
Posted on 3/21/14 at 3:06 pm to dinosaur
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I think that someone missed the point of your postings. You pointed out that the board president essentially said that we need to get to the bottom of this and that you think a reputable firm should do a more extensive review. I think that we would all agree to that. But I think some people here are unset with some of the original quotes -- not yours -- that seem to deny the existence of a problem.
100% correct. The point I was trying to make is that with those folks and the pressures some of them can bring, I am not too thrilled with the chance of the school board getting someone truly independent and thorough.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 3:07 pm to LSURussian
Seriously, man, you need to tone down the attacks. You sound like a close relative of a school board member or something. And the self reported v whistle blower argument is only an attempt to make someone look they are on top of things. But if the board or the superintendent knew this was happening, why did it take a state DOE audit to get an independent audit? Is the board looking for someone to sweep this under the rug or for someone to actually try to find out what happened? I guess it will depend on who gets hired and their credibility.
sorry had to edit for poor writing skills
sorry had to edit for poor writing skills
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 3/21/14 at 3:10 pm to Bard
Yes. And this, I suggest, goes to the heart of the problem. The original quotes would make you think that there will no true effort to really fix this, but instead to cover it up.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 3:34 pm to dinosaur
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Seriously, man, you need to tone down the attacks. You sound like a close relative of a school board member or something. And the self reported v whistle blower argument is only an attempt to make someone look they are on top of things. But if the board or the superintendent knew this was happening, why did it take a state DOE audit to get an independent audit
You brought up a good point. If the Supt. really wanted to get to the bottom of this "scandal" then why didn't he do the in house audit/investigation when he (according to Russian) self reported it in the Fall. Why did a whistleblower have to come forward for anything to get done?
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Is the board looking for someone to sweep this under the rug or for someone to actually try to find out what happened? I guess it will depend on who gets hired and their credibility.
When you look at it this way, you wonder if the Supt. and the board had already thought it was swept under the rug until the whistleblower came forward.
quote:Join the club, I'm right there with you and probably one of the worst here, ask Russian.
sorry had to edit for poor writing skills.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 3:47 pm to LSURussian
Records were altered in a way to push students through graduation without meeting the requirements. At least one particular principal signed off on it according to the audit. It very much appears to go way beyond "mistakes an errors"....which is a very obvious attempt to downplay the findings of the audit to save face and avoid embarrassing terminations.
It doesn't appear that EBR parish schools has made an attempt to govern itself until after an embarrassing audit by state officials.....even though some of this was reported in the fall of last year - months before the whistleblower tiggered the state audit.
That's what it looks like.
It doesn't appear that EBR parish schools has made an attempt to govern itself until after an embarrassing audit by state officials.....even though some of this was reported in the fall of last year - months before the whistleblower tiggered the state audit.
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When you look at it this way, you wonder if the Supt. and the board had already thought it was swept under the rug until the whistleblower came forward.
That's what it looks like.
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 3/21/14 at 4:20 pm to doubleb
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Do you have a link stating the state audit began for another reason?
I didn't say what you claim I said. Why do you continually misquote me? Here is what I wrote earlier in this thread:
quote:Notice I didn't say the state started their audit because the EBRSS reported the Glen Oaks record discrepancy. Stop making shite up.
And everyone seems to ignore it was the EBR superintendent who first reported the problems in graduation records to the state DOE last Fall when the new recordkeeping person at Glen Oaks HS first discovered the irregularities in September.
You're always asking for links to info that has already been posted on this board.
Again, your poor memory is evident. Below is a post where the information I wrote about was most recently described.
You posted numerous times in the thread.
(If you have been diagnosed with dementia, I understand and my sympathies go out to you and I'll stop making reference to your memory. If you don't have Alzheimer's or dementia, GFY and stop expecting me to keep posting links to information that has already been posted and from threads where you posted numerous times.)
Click on the second link in this post from March 17, 2014 (that's only 4 days ago....)
quote:So the state knew about the Glen Oaks graduation issue in the fall but didn't start an audit until a whistle blower also reported it.
In its examination of the student who should not have been allowed to graduate, the audit offers more detail, complete with a timeline of events, but few conclusions about this complicated tale.
The student, who was not named, but who graduated from Glen Oaks High School in May, has since gone on to an unnamed state college.
A school counselor new to Glen Oaks first flagged the problem on Sept. 27.
In January, Taylor told The Advocate that the school system reported the problem to the state in the fall soon after it came to light and had reassigned employees who were at fault.
If you want to read the original report about the Glen Oaks graduation mess from last fall, find it yourself.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 4:22 pm to doubleb
quote:All of your assumptions are incorrect (as usual, frankly) as my previous post shows. The EBR system did something about the Glen Oaks snafu before the state audit was even started.
If the Supt. really wanted to get to the bottom of this "scandal" then why didn't he do the in house audit/investigation when he (according to Russian) self reported it in the Fall. Why did a whistleblower have to come forward for anything to get done?
Posted on 3/21/14 at 4:42 pm to doubleb
quote:Mostly the willfully uninformed on this board is my problem.
That explains a LOT.
Now I've admitted I'm crazy, what is your problem?
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:10 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
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I have. Rule #1 is to never allow someone to audit their own work or any work they are responsible for.
So Taylor shouldn't have a unit or Section dedicated to auditing and/or QC/QA because of Rule #1, since he is ultimately responsible for the system as a whole-which would include such a unit or Section-based on your experience auditing?
I've done a wee bit of auditing and fraud investigations myself. Tell me more...
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:09 pm to GFunk
quote:If that's true, and I doubt it is based on your ignorant comments in your last post, you would know an internal audit manager should report directly to the board and only indirectly up through the line management.
I've done a wee bit of auditing and fraud investigations myself. Tell me more...
If that is not feasible, then the internal audit manager must have direct access to the board or audit committee of the board without having to go through the line management and without the line management present when audit results are presented to the board or the board's audit committee.
If you didn't have that access in your "wee bit of auditing" then you weren't an auditor. You were an audit clerk.
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:32 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
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If that's true, and I doubt it is based on your ignorant comments in your last post, you would know an internal audit manager should report directly to the board and only indirectly up through the line management.
If that is not feasible, then the internal audit manager must have direct access to the board or audit committee of the board without having to go through the line management and without the line management present when audit results are presented to the board or the board's audit committee.
If you didn't have that access in your "wee bit of auditing" then you weren't an auditor. You were an audit clerk.
Oh, Russian, Russian, Russian...
Please tell me what I was really doing. I am killing myself laughing that you truly believe yourself and the typed equivalent of drivel spewing from your keyboard.
Keep going if you like. Tell me all about internal auditing, fraud detection and structural integrity as it relates to the former. I'm enjoying your one man fashion show from the Emperor's Clothing Line...
Oh, and when did I say that in line management should have supervision over the unit? I asked why Taylor should not have one because of your own rule. I'm going by your rules, mind you...
This post was edited on 3/23/14 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 3/24/14 at 7:44 am to sec13rowBBseat28
Has Pat Smith taken over the EBR School Board? More reason to vote for St. George.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:06 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
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You can't read.
You're a liar, and you're a doltish, assuming oaf who equates Small Town hucksters like Bodi White to BILLION DOLLAR TAXER Kip Holden.
But damn if your act isn't hilarious. You're the last person to realize all of it, and you're raging against the machine like your name is Zach De La Rocha.
Good day to you, sir. Good day.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:17 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
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You can't write, either.
I can't write well, you liar, you! Which is, like, your opinion man. LOL.
Now, get the last word again, ya big fat fibber!
Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:53 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
So they are going to throw more and more money into something that will most likely turn up with the same results.
Also, was this not random? Didn't it come about because of findings within the EBRPSS and then the DOE wanted to audit it to undercover any other potential findings?
Also, was this not random? Didn't it come about because of findings within the EBRPSS and then the DOE wanted to audit it to undercover any other potential findings?
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