- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: The Medal of Honor is a participation trophy now
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:09 pm to miketiger
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:09 pm to miketiger
quote:
I am as conservative as anyone on this board. To take away anything that these men did is truely disgusting. They are great americans and deserve to be honored .
I'm not taking away from them. I'm saying if they earned it, award it to them without qualifying it by saying they didn't get it because of race. By saying that, you're admitting that they are getting it NOW because of their race. That is a dishonor to them in my opinion.
2
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:11 pm to blueboy
Awards are very political. I just found out a fellow soldier of mine was awarded a silver star for an IED that blew up on his Bradley killing 3 soldiers in the back. I did the investigation into the incident. His squad leaders were the ones that managed the situation as he was in a half conscious state. Some how he was given the credit for setting up the defense and preventing further loss of life in the second wave of sporadic attack by direct and indirect fire.
Counter that with another soldier that rushed into a burning Bradley under direct fire multiple times to save 3 soldiers and him being awarded a silver star posthumously. I can't see how each of their actions warrants the same award. All I can think is the first is the son of a general that's going places and the second wasn't. Both are great soldiers so don't take this the wrong way. I just don't understand the way the army chose to award them similarly from significantly greater sacrifices and heroism at a specific event.
Counter that with another soldier that rushed into a burning Bradley under direct fire multiple times to save 3 soldiers and him being awarded a silver star posthumously. I can't see how each of their actions warrants the same award. All I can think is the first is the son of a general that's going places and the second wasn't. Both are great soldiers so don't take this the wrong way. I just don't understand the way the army chose to award them similarly from significantly greater sacrifices and heroism at a specific event.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:15 pm to C
quote:
Awards are very political
Yup awards and decs depends on lots of shite, esp if you have a worth of shite chain of command who will put you up for anything.
You can come meeting plenty of people who have not done shite but have a ribbon rack that makes you say wow but others who have done much more but often go unrecognized.
This post was edited on 3/18/14 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:15 pm to dr smartass phd
quote:
One of the first to be fixed should be Richard Winters
Negative Ghostrider. Winters had white privilege.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:15 pm to C
The quote in the OP states that Congress ordered the review.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:17 pm to Sayre
quote:
The quote in the OP states that Congress ordered the review.
The conservative congress
This post was edited on 3/18/14 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:20 pm to Godfather1
quote:
Plug in either one instead of "black". Your silly semantics aside, the point stands.
Semantics? Come on man, you aren't that stupid. If Obama were doing this for Black soldiers that would change the whole context of the story. Your problem is that you're so obsessed with race that you feel compelled to imbue race into an issue when it's unwarranted.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:21 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:
The conservative congress
/thread
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:24 pm to C
quote:
Counter that with another soldier that rushed into a burning Bradley under direct fire multiple times to save 3 soldiers and him being awarded a silver star posthumously.
Should have been DSC, minimum - it was written poorly, or, *gasp* was an E-4 or below.
Sad that kind of BS enters into it, but it is what it is.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:29 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
Should have been DSC, minimum - it was written poorly, or, *gasp* was an E-4 or below.
Sad that kind of BS enters into it, but it is what it is.
Yea its bs, shite in the AF they won't even consider putting you up for a commendation medal unless your an E-5 or above even though you can receive one.
This post was edited on 3/18/14 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:32 pm to trackfan
quote:
Your problem is that you're so obsessed with race that you feel compelled to imbue race into an issue when it's unwarranted.
You're too fricking dumb to understand that what I'm saying is just the opposite of what you're implying.
If these men had a legitimate claim on a MOH, then so be it.
But don't go back and cheapen the award by awarding it when it may not be deserved just because of some perceived "injustice" that very likely didn't take place.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:36 pm to blueboy
This OP, with no service experience saying this, is fricking pathetic. I never served either, bit I'm not gonna get pissy bc the black man in office is someone I just don't like.
These people deserve their medal. You're fricking rancid for thinking otherwise. And if you believe they deserve the medal, change your post.
These people deserve their medal. You're fricking rancid for thinking otherwise. And if you believe they deserve the medal, change your post.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:38 pm to blueboy
quote:
No, I'm critical of the President who sees fit to award these men retroactively for political reasons.
But this is just another example of what he has done to this country.
You & the OP are critical of the President because you're ignorant .
I am 99 . 9999999% sure that Obama cannot determine who gets a Medal Of Honor.
This was part of the 2002(No Obama) Defense Authorization Act for the MIlitary to review Jewish & Hispanic veterans records to recitify MOST(can't make it all right) of these injustices.
The Military (not Obama) awarded these men the Medal of Honor.
Obama made a phone call ,sent a pretty invitation & presented the damn award.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:38 pm to blueboy
quote:
Obama currently giving them to "overlooked veterans" who apparently didn't get Medals of Honor because they were members of established victim classes.
Go frick off. Seriously.
You couldn't hold any of these men's piss.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:38 pm to taylork37
quote:bullshite. No member of Congress is going to be against anything to do with military service records. For whatever reason.
The conservative congress
/thread
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:40 pm to Godfather1
quote:Exactly what I'm saying. I don't disagree that they deserve it, but giving it to them in this way is clearly political and nothing more.
But don't go back and cheapen the award by awarding it when it may not be deserved just because of some perceived "injustice" that very likely didn't take place.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:40 pm to NikolaiJakov
quote:
I'm saying if they earned it, award it to them without qualifying it by saying they didn't get it because of race. By saying that, you're admitting that they are getting it NOW because of their race.
This post was edited on 3/18/14 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:41 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
or, *gasp* was an E-4 or below.
I can personally relate to that one !!!!!
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:42 pm to ChicagoTiger
I can assure you, that if these gentlemen were upgraded to the MOH, then they received, at a minimum at the time of their heroism, a DSC or Navy Cross.
The question is, what criteria was used to upgrade those awards?
Why HASN'T Richard Winters had his DSC upgraded? People have been fighting for that one for years.
The question is, what criteria was used to upgrade those awards?
Why HASN'T Richard Winters had his DSC upgraded? People have been fighting for that one for years.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:45 pm to trackfan
quote:
Semantics? Come on man, you aren't that stupid. If Obama were doing this for Black soldiers that would change the whole context of the story. Your problem is that you're so obsessed with race that you feel compelled to imbue race into an issue when it's unwarranted.
Trackfan, Obama is doing nothing but presenting the awards given to those soldiers by the Military This was authorized by Congress in 2002 & the military reviewed it's records of those Jewish & Hispanics(especially) & gave the award.
20 were Jewish or Hispanic & 1 of the other 4 Black or 'other'.
Sad ,( but not surprised here)that the hate for Obama has come to this.
Page 2 of 10
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News