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Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:48 pm to blueboy
have you gone through all their records and decided they were unworthy?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:49 pm to blueboy
The only problem I have with this is why did they not go back and look at EVERYBODY who was possibly looked over for a Medal of Honor?
If it is true that Blacks, Hispanics, and Jews were looked over during that time, then they would NATURALLY be found in much higher numbers than Whites.
They should be looking through everybody. Not just minorities.
If it is true that Blacks, Hispanics, and Jews were looked over during that time, then they would NATURALLY be found in much higher numbers than Whites.
They should be looking through everybody. Not just minorities.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:49 pm to trackfan
The number of blacks who served in combat during WWII was pretty small. The military was not racially integrated until 1948. So there weren't too many opportunities for blacks to demonstrate the type of valor that earned consideration for the MOH. 7 black soldiers were awarded the MOH in 1997. So a review to find worthy black recipients who were overlooked has already been conducted.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:50 pm to PrimeTime Money
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The only problem I have with this is why did they not go back and look at EVERYBODY who was possibly looked over for a Medal of Honor?
Thank you.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:50 pm to Godfather1
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Plug in either one instead of "black". Your silly semantics aside, the point stands.
so you are saying there are no prejudices in the 40's 50's 60's and 70's?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:51 pm to Poodlebrain
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The number of blacks who served in combat during WWII was pretty small. The military was not racially integrated until 1948
You mean units were not mixed, but there was still plenty of black service members who saw combat but didn't seen flying roles until WW2.
This post was edited on 3/18/14 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:55 pm to blueboy
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This is about the continued deification of minorities for the sake of it and for no good reason. Fact.
it definitely belittles it, sad
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:55 pm to Ace Midnight
LINK
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When his own family asked why he ran into the fire, knowing he would burn, knowing it would cost his life, Cashe told them, “I had made peace with my God, but I didn’t know if my men had yet.”
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:56 pm to Godfather1
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Yeah. I'm sure that was the thought process of many a CO back in the day.
Often times the soldier's CO puts the person in question in for a Medal of Honor. The award is reduced to a "more appropriate" level as the citation goes up the chain of command.
For instance, then-Lieutenant Richard Winters (from Band of Brothers) was put in for a Medal of Honor by his CO, Colonel Sink, after his actions at Brecourt Manor on D-Day. It was eventually reduced to a Distinguished Service Medal, the second most prestigious award a member of the U.S. Army can get.
This post was edited on 3/18/14 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:57 pm to PrimeTime Money
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They should be looking through everybody. Not just minorities.
It's possible they also re-examined records for union members.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 3:58 pm to SammyTiger
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so you are saying there are no prejudices in the 40's 50's 60's and 70's?
In terms of awarding decorations for heroism?
Possible in some cases. I'd say highly unlikely in most.
"Gee, this guy's Jewish. So I think I'll only put him in for a Navy Cross instead of the MOH."
Please.
I have served. And I have a little more faith in the professionalism of the officers that put these gentlemen in for their awards.
You do realize that MOH recommendations undergo strict scrutiny from review boards, right? It's not a simple matter of one bigoted officer denying the award. Most of the applications ARE downgraded to DSC/Navy Cross.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 4:00 pm to NikolaiJakov
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I'm not taking away from them. I'm saying if they earned it, award it to them without qualifying it by saying they didn't get it because of race. By saying that, you're admitting that they are getting it NOW because of their race. That is a dishonor to them in my opinion.
Not at allPosted on 3/18/14 at 4:00 pm to RollTide1987
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For instance, then-Lieutenant Richard Winters (from Band of Brothers) was put in for a Medal of Honor by his CO, Colonel Sink, after his actions at Brecourt Manor on D-Day. It was eventually reduced to a Distinguished Service Medal, the second most prestigious award a member of the U.S. Army can get.
Because of a rule in place at the time that only one MOH could be awarded per division.
Most agreed that Winters' heroism was worthy of the MOH but for that silly rule.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 4:00 pm to C
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When his own family asked why he ran into the fire, knowing he would burn, knowing it would cost his life, Cashe told them, “I had made peace with my God, but I didn’t know if my men had yet.”
but since he's black and so is Obama he got it for political reasons
Posted on 3/18/14 at 4:02 pm to Godfather1
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In terms of awarding decorations for heroism?
Possible in some cases. I'd say highly unlikely in most.
There was def racist arse officers and sr nco's back then.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 4:02 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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When his own family asked why he ran into the fire, knowing he would burn, knowing it would cost his life, Cashe told them, “I had made peace with my God, but I didn’t know if my men had yet.”
but since he's black and so is Obama he got it for political reasons
Race shouldn't be an issue. He deserves it. Why tarnish it by bringing race into it?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 4:03 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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You mean units were not mixed, but there was still plenty of black service members who saw combat but didn't seen flying roles until WW2.
It was actually pretty low, homey - in the USN, they pretty much let them be porters and maybe oilers, or whatnot. Some still found opportunities (or opportunities found them) - to demonstrate valor.
They fared a little better in the Army - the 92nd Division saw action in Italy. Most of the rest were assigned to support units with far fewer opportunities to demonstrate valor under fire than in the front line units in France and Germany.
Red Ball Express is an example of concentrating black troops in a support unit, and having them excel, though. The Tuskegee airmen are a famous example of the then extant prejudicial attitudes towards African Americans - some continuing racial theories that blacks were "physiologically" unsuited to fly because their blood vessels would be restricted by g-forces (it remains amazing to me the lengths white folks went to back then).
Even Patton bought into it - at least a little, although it is unlikely he was truly racist - he had a somewhat prejudicial attitude about blacks in combat roles. He highly commended a unit of black engineers, IIRC.
This post was edited on 3/18/14 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 3/18/14 at 4:06 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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but since he's black and so is Obama he got it for political reasons
Glad to see some lefties giving props to the military. You've come a long way since some of your ilk tried to prevent the VN War Memorial. I've long said one of the benefits of having a Dem President is the left won't shite on the military for a while.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 4:09 pm to Ace Midnight
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They fared a little better in the Army - the 92nd Division saw action in Italy.
Thats mainly who I was talking about, but also in previous wars black combat units excelled.
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Most of the rest were assigned to support units with far fewer opportunities to demonstrate valor under fire than in the front line units in France and Germany.
Yea being cooks, turning wrenches and shite. My grandfather drove a truck.
This post was edited on 3/18/14 at 4:11 pm
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