So Cosmos is more atheistic rant than actual cosmos?

Space shite is cool, the majority of us will not experience what astronauts do. Science and religion clash, get used to it, but please keep the attitude that has won you dislike on any other board you post on off of here.

"cry me a river"

I haven't seen the show. How is it an atheist rant? do they bring up religion?

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I bet NdGT is a huge IRL douchebag cynic

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Everything I have read, clips of him, podcast, etc..he comes off as the exact opposite.

It's not that it's an atheistic rant, but the show is seemingly focusing on rebuttals used against creationists.

The whole human eye segment. It was interesting, but he started it with "Some people say that the human eye is too complex to have formed through natural selection...." If you follow the creationists vs. intelligent design vs. evolution debate at all, you know that the premise that the human eye is too complex for evolution is a big argument put forth by creationists and intelligent design folks.

And that's pretty much the feel of the whole show. The first episode defined "some people" as the church with its animated flashback to Bruno. The second episode focused big time on proving that any point put forth by creationists is wrong.

I'm completely on board with everything the show is saying except for its delivery. All the show is doing is alienating people who may come in with predisposed notions about life that the show's producers disagree with.

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You sound a lot like a guy that never watched the original Cosmos if you think this has gone in a different direction.

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Truth is, Carl Sagan was an outspoken atheist...Neil deGrasse Tyson is absolutely not. In fact, he's made a point of not being grouped with guys like Sam Harris, Lawrence Krauss or Richard Dawkins. That's not to say he is not, but that he has never once in his public life come out of the closet as such or taken so hard line a position as that. Call it simply PR, but the guy has been quite content to not join that group openly despite being on countless panels with them all.

For the time, the Original Cosmos was FAR harsher in it's criticism of religion than I bet this new iteration will be. Sagan trashed the early Church for the sacking of the library at Alexandria, if I recall he had his own piece on Galileo's persecution, etc.

I don't see anything wrong with combating superstition with d facts about space and what lies beyond our own backyards. We don't live in the Bronze Age anymore; and how mankind came to be is much more elegant and beautiful than anything in the Bible.

I just watched the entire first episode and saw nothing whatsoever that would lead me to believe that this show has a tilt against religion. If anything, the vision Bruno had is IMO a great example of a vision from God. If I was a Catholic, I would be demanding he be sainted.

Maybe the second episode is different. As a Christian it really does bother me when people take shots at religion (and I really mean Christianity because no one outside of Bill Maher and South Park dare go near Islam, and it is cool to be Jewish or Buddhist). It isn't edgy or cool. It is actually pretty commonplace at this point. It pisses me off almost as much as when an Atheist tries to tell me how I'm supposed to act as a Christian.

Just a side note, I have always been more than happy to accept anything related to science. But as a historian, I also know the history of science is a history of thinking that something is known and then realizing maybe they were basing that off of incorrect observations. I think it is awfully arrogant of anyone to say decisively this is the way things are and that's just it. Because over the centuries, that's never how things work out. Carl Sagan spent his last years as a staunch global warming alarmist, and well...anyway.

I really liked NdGT as a host. You could tell he was really getting emotional at the end when speaking about Sagan and that day together. That anecdote really wrapped the show up nicely.

So, someone enlighten me on how they should present concepts such as evolution in a way that wouldn't offend fundies hell bent on ignoring overwhelming mountains of proof...

I haven't watched an episode since the first one. Not because of religion or anything. But because they wasted so much time on that dumb Bruno cartoon. I was so bored.

The calendar was awesome. If stuff like that would have been the whole episode I'd have been hooked.