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re: Wyoming welder faces $75K a day in EPA fines for building pond on his property.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:56 pm to Tigah in the ATL
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:56 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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the problem is outrage by anecdote.
like todd akin?
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:27 am to C
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It's silly to come after a man a small pond. I'm having trouble thinking what the downstream affects could even be? Beavers disrupt creak flows every day. Should we exterminate them?
The article doesn't say. I'm curious if he actually dammed up a navigable water body. Considering I make a living off of environmental permitting I fully understand how nonsensical many of these regulations are.
Surely there must be more to this case than the EPA simply wanting to pick on the little guy. I'd be interested in reading an unbiased report, but I admittedly don't feel like doing the research.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:55 am to GumboPot
I know a dude from Holden that's in jail right now because he dug a hole on his property and started dumping trash in it. The EPA saw him with a satellite and they arrested him.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 4:39 am to bencoleman
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dug a hole on his property
Not his, you can't own property, just rent it from the Government. They can seize it for any reason the see fit.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 8:22 am to C
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It's silly to come after a man a small pond. I'm having trouble thinking what the downstream affects could even be? Beavers disrupt creak flows every day. Should we exterminate them?
Beavers are highly regulated.....they do build dams everywhere but those dams are also destroyed on a regular basis.
Did ya'll miss this...
"The EPA order on Jan. 30 gave Johnson 30 days to hire a consultant and have him or her assess the impact of the supposed unauthorized discharges. The report was also supposed to include a restoration proposal to be approved by the EPA as well as contain a schedule requiring all work be completed within 60 days of the plan's approval."
Dude us merely being asked to comply with federal regulations as would any landowner. His having a stste permit is admirable but there is a federal element that he should have been aware of. If he can make the case that the discharges in question do no negatively impact those downstream (how could they?) then the dam/pond is fine. If, however, he simply refuses to comply, he willbe subject to fines.
There is nothing in this report by Fox news to suggest that the EPA is gunning for this family and their ducks. They built a pond that required some oversite by the EPA. The EPA is demanding that this oversite be completed and if the outcome is neagative (not likely) that the dam/pond be returned to its natural state. Dude appears to be unwilling to do this, which is his perogative, but when the outcome is less than favorable why should anyone feel for him?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 8:34 am to germandawg
How much do you think it costs to hire a consultant? The EPA is overstepping and should leave the man alone.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 8:39 am to Tigah in the ATL
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therefore, we should eliminate environmental regulations.
No, therefore, we should eliminate YOU, and your mindless ilk.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 8:40 am to germandawg
My family has built dozens of ponds and have never hired someone to evaluate it for the EPA. This is bogus.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 8:44 am to germandawg
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Dude us merely being asked to comply with federal regulations as would any landowner. His having a stste permit is admirable but there is a federal element that he should have been aware of. If he can make the case that the discharges in question do no negatively impact those downstream (how could they?) then the dam/pond is fine. If, however, he simply refuses to comply, he willbe subject to fines.
You, once again, because you at heart believe in Leftist Authoritarian Government, don't get it.
You have no idea how many thousands of dollars it costs to hire a Consultant to survey, analyze and prepare the impact report that would be acceptable to the EPA. None.
You side with Authoritarian FedGov because that's your DNA -- you believe in Big Lefty Government.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:50 am to GumboPot
The EPA is contradicting themselves. Since he has already built the pond it is a wetlands and he is not allowed to destroy wetlands.
The EPA forbids messing with Vernal Pools.
vernal pools key to species diversity
The EPA forbids messing with Vernal Pools.
vernal pools key to species diversity
Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
I can take from this thread that the next time someone proposes eliminating the EPA (don't act like this isn't said on here) I will get support for calling the person an idiot.
If so I will be quite happy.
If so I will be quite happy.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:47 pm to C
The EPA has ivory tower witches like this running the show.
Both the NPS and EPA are pissing as many people off as they possibly can. The heads of these departments have no people skills.
Both the NPS and EPA are pissing as many people off as they possibly can. The heads of these departments have no people skills.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:51 pm to Tigah in the ATL
Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:56 pm to GumboPot
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The poor guy follows the rules, gets state approval
This is a prime example as to why people oppose gun registrations. Make these types of rules, and it bites the law abiding citizen in the arse when they properly follow the rules. All it does is put a big target on your back for government agencies.
If he had built the pond without getting state approval, chances are nobody would have even noticed nor cared especially in rural Wyoming.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:05 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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the problem is outrage by anecdote. It's clearly awful, but people then draw conclusions from it.
Only conclusion I see is concern about expanding power of an organization which is currently and indisputably a
busing them.
Which is a valid statement to make.
And it will be quite humorous to see you try to squirm out an arguement that it's isn't.
If there is really a flaw, the beef should be with the state department for assigning a invalid permit.
I fail to understand the point of permitting in a world where it's my fault that the regulatory agency dropped the ball.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The EPA has ivory tower witches like this running the show.
Factually incorrect! That is a Warlock, not a witch.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:44 pm to ruzil
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Factually incorrect! That is a Warlock, not a witch.
He's got a mouth on him..
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The EPA has ivory tower witches like this running the show.
That calls for a burlap sack and a baseball bat.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:55 pm to dr smartass phd
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The EPA has ivory tower witches like this running the show.
That calls for a burlap sack and a baseball bat.
She might enjoy that too much. She seems like the type.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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She might enjoy that too much. She seems like the type.
She couldn't get much uglier from it.
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