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re: The "religious right" is a boogeyman blown out of proportion
Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:45 pm to Toddy
Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:45 pm to Toddy
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You never hear stories about a Christian Minister suing a bakery because the gay baker refused to bake a cake for the Minister's Sunday School group. Or a priest suing a gay photographer for not photographing a communion.
Maybe it's because this never happens.
Exactly. Now why is the reverse happening? It's being done with the legal help from the 501(c)3 non profits like the ACLU and Lambda Legal. That non-profit tax status is also the one churches have.
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Yes, Lambda Legal is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization. Donations to Lambda Legal are tax-deductible to the fullest extent of the law. Ticket purchases and other receivables will affect the tax-deductible portion of your gift.
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The ACLU Foundation of Massachusetts is an IRS 501(c)3 organization that primarily engages in litigation and educational activities.
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They are suing tax paying businesses. frickING LAWYERS that make money to punish tax paying businesses because the ACLU is anti-first amendment rights of the private business owner.
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:57 pm to los angeles tiger
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That is not the Southern Baptists fault
Umm, yeah it is. This is not about gay marriage. This is not even about being tolerant of homosexual relationships. They DON'T EVEN WANT TO WORK WITH GAY PEOPLE. So it's against the Bible now to work with gay people now? That's the biggest crock of shite I've ever seen.
They would rather make orphaned children suffer than work with a gay person. This has to be one of the most disgusting things I ever seen.
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You are now directly attacking churches and you said such would not happen because of the constitution. You lied just like I said you would and your friends have lied just like I said they would.
Yeah I'm going to call out bigots when I see them. This is not even about gay marriage. This is about basic human dignity, something which the Kentucky Baptist Convention is obviously lacking.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 8:04 pm to Toddy
Call yourself out as being the bigot. You want to dictate how the Baptist are to practice their faith. Well, maybe you should stop dictating to others how they should spend their money when your friends are suing private business owners that are paying taxes. Churches are suing businesses that won't do as they demand. The ACLU and Lambda Legal are and they have the same tax status as the church. Why in the hell are litigators getting tax exempt status claiming that a private business owner.
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The ACLU took in 63 million dollars in 2011. It has net assets of almost 300 million dollars. Anthony Romero, its Exec Director, takes in 342,858 dollars.
And like most bullies, the ACLU picked a target its own size, Barronelle Stutzman, a 70-year-old woman who runs a flower shop. For those who think that gay marriage can be folded on, the case of Arlene’s Flowers provides another sobering wake-up call.
Homosexual activists are not looking to live and let live. They are out to force their way on everyone else at any cost. Even shamelessly going after a 70-year-old woman who was only following her faith.
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 8:27 pm to los angeles tiger
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You want to dictate how the Baptist are to practice their faith.
They can practice their faith however they want. But if their faith entails intentionally making orphaned children suffer then it's absolutely disgusting. I think any decent person can agree with this. As I said before this is not even about gay marriage. Or even gay adoptions. This is about working with a gay person. Or actually, just the POSSIBILITY of working with a gay person. The Catholics, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc. would NEVER do this. The Muslims would of course. Great company they're keeping. But hey if avoiding gays at all costs is what the Baptist need to do more power to them. It's no wonder this denomination continues to see it membership decline year after year though. You have to remember this is the same denomination that had a member church refuse to marry a black couple (or was it interracial?) a few years ago.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 8:59 pm to Toddy
Toddy, what about your bigotry that brought hurt to children.
LGBT told people that they can't associate with Christians because you hate those Christians even when they are helping children as shown here.
How many volunteer hours did you put in with the Southern Baptist Disaster Relief helping the Oklahoma tornado victims last year? How many hours did you spend feeding homeless, packing up boxes for Samaritans Purse or visiting the elderly at their homes to take them meals?
Why do you focus your attention on forcing private citizens to do something against their will and if they refuse, you call them "haters"?
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Gay activists didn’t like that a popular shoe company was sharing the work it does with a Christian ministry that affirms biblical marriage. So, they set off an online firestorm — and ultimately pressured the founder of TOMS Shoes to issue an apology on Saturday for ever having appeared at an event with Focus on the Family.
At issue? Blake Mycoskie, TOMS founder and “chief shoe giver,” appeared alongside Focus President Jim Daly at the June 30 “Feet on the Ground” event and shared how his Christian faith led him to start the company. The sold-out event raised awareness — and shoes — for people in need around the world. TOMS, a for-profit company, donates a pair of shoes for every pair purchased. The espadrille-like shoes appeal particularly to social justice-minded Millennials.
LGBT told people that they can't associate with Christians because you hate those Christians even when they are helping children as shown here.
How many volunteer hours did you put in with the Southern Baptist Disaster Relief helping the Oklahoma tornado victims last year? How many hours did you spend feeding homeless, packing up boxes for Samaritans Purse or visiting the elderly at their homes to take them meals?
Why do you focus your attention on forcing private citizens to do something against their will and if they refuse, you call them "haters"?
Posted on 3/12/14 at 9:04 pm to Toddy
The PCUSA is almost non-existant because of what your buddies did. Oh, the exodus from the denomination is met with "You can't leave because you are breaking your vow to uphold the unity of the church." These are the same people that broke the vows they took, but that's different because it is "social justice" even though they weren't forced to take that vow. Your friends and their disobedience is what broke up the PCUSA and now they are willfully calling for breaking their vows of obedience to Scripture and the Book of Discipline to marry gay couples in the Methodist church.
You don't know what other would and wouldn't do and you don't ever view what you do isn't very nice but just mean-spirited hate. Jesus never forced others to follow Him yet you want private business owners to be forced to provide for your "faux wedding" and if they won't, you'll sue them.
You don't know what other would and wouldn't do and you don't ever view what you do isn't very nice but just mean-spirited hate. Jesus never forced others to follow Him yet you want private business owners to be forced to provide for your "faux wedding" and if they won't, you'll sue them.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 9:38 pm to los angeles tiger
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How many volunteer hours did you put in with the Southern Baptist Disaster Relief helping the Oklahoma tornado victims last year? How many hours did you spend feeding homeless, packing up boxes for Samaritans Purse or visiting the elderly at their homes to take them meals?
Zero. Why would I try? It would be against their beliefs. They have made it abundantly clear they don't want to work with gay people. You just said it is against their faith.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 9:39 pm to los angeles tiger
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The PCUSA is almost non-existant
I doubt very seriously this is the case.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 10:16 pm to Toddy
About a 1.5 million and losing thousands every day. I know about this and you don't.
BTW, if you knew Scripture you would know that I Corintians 5 says about those who claim to be brothers and sisters yet boast about their sin as being good. There it was the sexual relationship of a mother and her son and it offended all of Corinth and not just those in the church that kept telling them they were sinning. We are commanded to cease relationships with them. We aren't even supposed to eat with them.
You also forget that the first commandment by Christ is that we are to love the Lord thy God with all of our heart, soul and mind. The second is to love our neighbor as ourself. You are telling us that we must disobey God and love you more and we are to deny the love we should have for our ownself because you consider yourself more important than us.
Christians have been willfully dying for their beliefs for the last 2000 years and have been persectured horribly. Christian villages in Syria that are hundreds of years old are now being flattened and they are fleeing if they can and many dying. In Iran, there is a Baptist minister that is still in prison and was at one point sentenced to death because of his faith. He hasn't recantted.
Jesus said that we are to pick up our cross, deny ourself and follow Him. That meant "be prepared to die for your faith in me."
Are you really so oppressed? No. You are a spoiled brat in a nation that has been the most blessed and rich in the history of man yet you whine about how horrible your life is like so many in our nation. I never see post by you being grateful for all the rich blessings you have that most of the world can only dream of having.
When I asked you how much time you spent volunteering, you said zero and blamed it on the Baptist. You couldn't feed the poor and similar stuff on your own. I've done much of what I listed on my own. You blamed Baptist and claimed it is because they wouldn't want you. Could you blame them? You surely have ripped them apart. But that isn't how they treated me and I grew up Southern Baptist as well. They were truthful with me and they didn't bow at every demand I wanted. They bowed to God. Stop being upset with people that wish to obey God and start looking at yourself and how you can be better toward others instead of expecting them to do as you demand.
Toddy, I was at the PCUSA Gen Assembly and I stood in opposition to what your lgbt friends called for a seventh time - the removal of the chastity in singleness and fidelity in marriage clause from the Book of Order. They had it removed claiming it was an LGBT rights issue and they had the right to ordination. Well, such removal is applicable to all and there are no sexual moral standards in the PCUSA. Pastors that are straight no longer have to live by any standards either. Live like Hugh Heffner and be a PCUSA pastor. That's the PCUSA now.
Oh, those Christian business owners wouldn't provide their services to Hugh Hefner for a Playboy party either. He should sue those Christians for discriminating against him, too.
Because I stood firm against such nonsense, I have paid a price that you don't give a damn about. I did it knowing it was going to happen because I have to stand against the evil you are promoting because I don't want to live in a nation where servitude to people that can't even control their behavior in bathrooms and steamrooms of gyms in San Francisco. They don't even give a damn about other peoples feelings about such lewd behavior. Nope. They say their "freedom is being taken away because the gym closed the steamroom and is owned by a hater that intolerant of their rights and sexual freedom." They didn't consider the owner or the health officials that must enforce such laws. It'a all about their sexual desires being first.
All you are pushing for is going to backlash and it is tense in the very liberal state of California. You have had some longtime allies that are now starting to question what the hell is going on with the gays being such brats.
BTW, if you knew Scripture you would know that I Corintians 5 says about those who claim to be brothers and sisters yet boast about their sin as being good. There it was the sexual relationship of a mother and her son and it offended all of Corinth and not just those in the church that kept telling them they were sinning. We are commanded to cease relationships with them. We aren't even supposed to eat with them.
You also forget that the first commandment by Christ is that we are to love the Lord thy God with all of our heart, soul and mind. The second is to love our neighbor as ourself. You are telling us that we must disobey God and love you more and we are to deny the love we should have for our ownself because you consider yourself more important than us.
Christians have been willfully dying for their beliefs for the last 2000 years and have been persectured horribly. Christian villages in Syria that are hundreds of years old are now being flattened and they are fleeing if they can and many dying. In Iran, there is a Baptist minister that is still in prison and was at one point sentenced to death because of his faith. He hasn't recantted.
Jesus said that we are to pick up our cross, deny ourself and follow Him. That meant "be prepared to die for your faith in me."
Are you really so oppressed? No. You are a spoiled brat in a nation that has been the most blessed and rich in the history of man yet you whine about how horrible your life is like so many in our nation. I never see post by you being grateful for all the rich blessings you have that most of the world can only dream of having.
When I asked you how much time you spent volunteering, you said zero and blamed it on the Baptist. You couldn't feed the poor and similar stuff on your own. I've done much of what I listed on my own. You blamed Baptist and claimed it is because they wouldn't want you. Could you blame them? You surely have ripped them apart. But that isn't how they treated me and I grew up Southern Baptist as well. They were truthful with me and they didn't bow at every demand I wanted. They bowed to God. Stop being upset with people that wish to obey God and start looking at yourself and how you can be better toward others instead of expecting them to do as you demand.
Toddy, I was at the PCUSA Gen Assembly and I stood in opposition to what your lgbt friends called for a seventh time - the removal of the chastity in singleness and fidelity in marriage clause from the Book of Order. They had it removed claiming it was an LGBT rights issue and they had the right to ordination. Well, such removal is applicable to all and there are no sexual moral standards in the PCUSA. Pastors that are straight no longer have to live by any standards either. Live like Hugh Heffner and be a PCUSA pastor. That's the PCUSA now.
Oh, those Christian business owners wouldn't provide their services to Hugh Hefner for a Playboy party either. He should sue those Christians for discriminating against him, too.
Because I stood firm against such nonsense, I have paid a price that you don't give a damn about. I did it knowing it was going to happen because I have to stand against the evil you are promoting because I don't want to live in a nation where servitude to people that can't even control their behavior in bathrooms and steamrooms of gyms in San Francisco. They don't even give a damn about other peoples feelings about such lewd behavior. Nope. They say their "freedom is being taken away because the gym closed the steamroom and is owned by a hater that intolerant of their rights and sexual freedom." They didn't consider the owner or the health officials that must enforce such laws. It'a all about their sexual desires being first.
All you are pushing for is going to backlash and it is tense in the very liberal state of California. You have had some longtime allies that are now starting to question what the hell is going on with the gays being such brats.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 10:17 pm to los angeles tiger
quote:This is true. And because of this, it irks me that seemingly rational, intelligent, straight, i.e., normal, people support gay rights.
The dems have passed laws to fine and eventually jail Christian business owners if they refuse to participate in gay wedding (provide their services).
That's using government force to trample over the first amendment rights as well as private property rights.
Why?
Christians are priority number 1 for these people. And they will not stop until every single Christian who dares to speak out against their lifestyle is destroyed.
I think it's because homosexuals know their lifestyle is perverted and immoral, they have a guilty conscience, if they have one left that is, so to sooth their tortured souls, they seek to destroy those that remind them of their depravity.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 10:37 pm to los angeles tiger
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The problem is that we have a large portion of society that believe that those Christians don't have the same rights of free speech and beliefs as others. The left screams about "seperation of church and state" because they want those in church silenced in favor of a state that has no moral compass but is all powerful. A state that punishes those who produce, pay taxes personally and in their businesses because they view that when you open a business you must forfeit your first amendment rights in favor of those that aren't paying taxes. They demand so much information about those tax payers and how they spend their money and have made the law that all of their employees must provide a government issued ID and their SS card as proof to work yet they claim that laws requiring an ID to vote are unconstitutional and create an unneccessary burden on the poor minorities that supposedly are unable to obtain them.
Only the ignorant tie a lack of religion to a political philosophy.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 11:09 pm to los angeles tiger
Don't put the ACLU in the same category as the church or any other organization. The ACLU does not discriminate on who they defend or attack. The ACLU has taken on the entire country at times in their history. When you do something that is your constitutional right and the entire country turns against you, the ACLU will be in your corner.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:24 am to Antonio Moss
quote:There are countless examples of forced closure of nativity scenes, roadside memorials, school prayer clubs, etc.
Give me one example of government suppressing someone's expression of religious views.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 7:57 am to NC_Tigah
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There are countless examples of forced closure of nativity scenes, roadside memorials, school prayer clubs, etc.
On private or state property?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:36 am to Rickety Cricket
Private property can do what it wants regarding religious signs. Public property cannot have signs favoring one religion or another.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:38 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Private property can do what it wants regarding religious signs
true, it just can't do what it wants with cakes...
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:48 am to goldennugget
I just see the religious right as people who base their morals off a book of parables written in the Middle East 2000 years ago that has evolved (words and translations being altered/omitted along the way) greatly. Many also believe that their thoughts are actively influenced by the Holy Ghost and that god will soon begin the rapture. They just in a higher being that has the principles and temperament of a moronic child/goat fricker from 2000 years ago who found it necessary to have his own son crucified so that people would worship him. This book they follow also includes stories of homicide, unicorns, and a guy giving his two virgin daughters up for rape to protect a stranger.....that guy is also the one who is found worthy not to be kill by god. And they base their life and principles on this. Pretty innocuous.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 9:10 am to Rickety Cricket
quote:Is that relevant in terms of government suppressing someone's expression?
On private or state property?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 9:18 am to Upperaltiger06
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I just see the religious right as people who base their morals off a book of parables written in the Middle East 2000 years
blacks and hispanics are overwhelmingly religious, yet its always the "religious right". why
Posted on 3/13/14 at 9:41 am to goldennugget
Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
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