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re: movies you love but are disgusted by the politics or agenda
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:13 am to Breesus
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:13 am to Breesus
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No they weren't
Yes, they were. As established by the fact they didn't establish a large standing army. In fact, we didn't even have a stable officer corps until after we got our asses kicked in the War of 1812. The early US army was undersized and underfunded, primarily by design.
We didn't have a large standing peacetime army in this country until post-WWII. Armies are expensive. And undemocratic. Both are threats to liberty.
But I really will never understand people who say they want small government but then support a large military. That, to me, is f'n insane. If you don't trust the government, you don't want them to have an organized fighting force. That's how governments throughout all of history have suppressed the people, dating back to the Romans.
But we're getting way off track. I oppose the idea of a large standing army, but I generally like war films. Even ones bought and paid for as advertisements for the US army.
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:14 am to Baloo
The train full of explosives wasn't going to kill or even harm anyone. It was going to blow up a building. And the main cop himself didn't stop it.
He didn't torture and manipulate her for the hell of it. He showed her what the leaders of this world were doing to the innocent. It's exactly what they would of done to her anyway if he left her in the TV studio and creedy watched the security footage.
And it was about so much more than that building. And him. It was about the public and all that was happening outside.
He didn't torture and manipulate her for the hell of it. He showed her what the leaders of this world were doing to the innocent. It's exactly what they would of done to her anyway if he left her in the TV studio and creedy watched the security footage.
And it was about so much more than that building. And him. It was about the public and all that was happening outside.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:16 am to Baloo
The army in the ukraine didn't interfere with shite. It's not the standing defense army im worried about. It's federal police and local police that worry me and the two are vastly different
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:17 am to Breesus
You know who else blew up empty buildings that "wouldn't hurt anyone" The IRA. And it's not like blowing up buildings is morally positive anyway. That's the politics of Fight Club, and those guys are morons.
Oh, he tortured her to show her that torture has happened and its bad? It's amazing that in real life we could stop the Holocaust and show it was a moral evil by not rounding up people into death camps. Truly, the only way anyone could understand it was wrong was by inflicting the same punishment on someone else. It's also morally right because someone else would've done it anyway. That's the justification I use to set your home on fire. Some arsonist was gonna do it anyway, so I'm not morally responsible.
Oh, he tortured her to show her that torture has happened and its bad? It's amazing that in real life we could stop the Holocaust and show it was a moral evil by not rounding up people into death camps. Truly, the only way anyone could understand it was wrong was by inflicting the same punishment on someone else. It's also morally right because someone else would've done it anyway. That's the justification I use to set your home on fire. Some arsonist was gonna do it anyway, so I'm not morally responsible.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:20 am to CAD703X
China Syndrome
Which I cannot even watch because of she who shall remain nameless.
Which I cannot even watch because of she who shall remain nameless.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:20 am to tigerfan88
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Well Obama is actually conservative as shite. If you graph him out on political graph his stances are basically the same as Bush's. At the moment we're a pretty conservative country
What in the frick? Must be a joke.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:21 am to The Sad Banana
How liberal do you have to be to think the Hurt Locker is right wing, super pro-military?
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 11:22 am
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:25 am to Hoodoo Man
quote:Baloo isn't liberal
How liberal do you have to be to think the Hurt Locker is right wing, super pro-military?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:29 am to Baloo
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Oh, he tortured her to show her that torture has happened and its bad?
That's not what i said.
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It's amazing that in real life we could stop the Holocaust and show it was a moral evil by not rounding up people into death camps.
What?! Are you somehow insinuating that a shitload of evils and people dying did not happen to stop the holocost?
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It's also morally right because someone else would've done it anyway. That's the justification I use to set your home on fire. Some arsonist was gonna do it anyway, so I'm not morally responsible.
Why do you keep going outside the realm of the argument and diverting attention from what ive stated?
The IRA is more like the NSA/CIA/FBI than the Army or navy or airforce
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 11:30 am
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:29 am to Pilot Tiger
Depends on the issue. We had a course in law school where we sat as the Supreme Court and argued the current cases before the Court that term, based ont he briefs. I was the swing Justice, but whatever side I swung to, I was usually more hardcore than anyone else on that side. I didn't play between the 40's, I just went from goalline to goalline.
I'm a 19th Century Whig. Too bad they are all dead.
I'm a 19th Century Whig. Too bad they are all dead.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:32 am to Breesus
You said this:
So, I pointed out how ridiculous this line of thinking was by suggesting I burn down your house to stop an arsonist from doing the same thing. How is that different? It would've happened anyway, so I'm off the moral hook.
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He didn't torture and manipulate her for the hell of it. He showed her what the leaders of this world were doing to the innocent. It's exactly what they would of done to her anyway if he left her in the TV studio and creedy watched the security footage.
So, I pointed out how ridiculous this line of thinking was by suggesting I burn down your house to stop an arsonist from doing the same thing. How is that different? It would've happened anyway, so I'm off the moral hook.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:41 am to Hoodoo Man
quote:I honestly didn't see an agenda behind The Hurt Locker, except that maybe it's hard for those guys to adjust to civilian life and the movie really wanted to portray that aspect of war.
How liberal do you have to be to think the Hurt Locker is right wing, super pro-military?
I don't feel the need to see movies like this to bolster my political opinions. I see movies like this because I think the military is cool. That may be jaded and naive, but aren't I jaded and naive as a civilian anyway?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:42 am to Me
quote:Haven't seen it. What's the agenda?
Machete
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:47 am to Baloo
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But the whole subplot of abducting and torturing Natalie Portman so she could share his experience is so disturbing and morally wrong that I'm flabbergasted anyone could consider him a hero even in the slightest.
I thought this was a goofy attempt by the creators to have a "cool twist". It was a roll-my-eyes moment for me, and I think the movie would've been better off without it.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:52 am to blueboy
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Haven't seen it. What's the agenda?
Citizenship for immigrants and the death of the American dream because of the way we treat mexicans. Also gerneral corporate greed and control of the government.
Some of it is spot on, some of it is leftest bullshite.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:55 am to Baloo
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So, I pointed out how ridiculous this line of thinking was by suggesting I burn down your house to stop an arsonist from doing the same thing. How is that different? It would've happened anyway, so I'm off the moral hook.
He isnt off the moral hook. He is a brutal evil person who murders people in the movie. I didnt say he was a great guy with great morals. I said he was living and operating in the evil world which created him and he could not free himself from.
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I burn down your house to stop an arsonist from doing the same thing
That's not the same situation at all. And what should he have done? You think he should have left her in the TV studio to be tortured and murdered by Creedy?
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 11:56 am
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:58 am to Breesus
quote:I'm not a leftist and I certainly don't agree with them. However, just realize that what you said could be seen through a liberal lens as "some of it was spot on, some of it was right-wing bullshite".
Some of it is spot on, some of it is leftest bullshite.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:00 pm to Baloo
quote:I completely disagree. The film brilliantly portrays the unbelievably high stress level of soldiers in modern combat, specifically ones who have to do jobs like the main character.
I wouldn't say disgusted, but The Hurt Locker is pretty damn right wing. It's a well-made flag-waving piece that fetishizes military service.
Did you miss the scene in which he attempts to go home and can't deal with everyday family life any more? How did that "fetishize military service?"
If you want to talk about films "fetishizing" the military, look no further than Stripes. It's one of the most brilliant comedies ever written, IMO, but it is also, after all, a Reagan-era Army recruitment film, and it worked like a charm. I know people who joined after this movie came out. It portrayed the Army as this whacky, fun place where people get drunk, screw hot MP's and go on daring adventures.
My friends weren't stupid, but I don't think they were quite prepared for how most of it is actually closer to (insert Stripes "Pick Up Service" song because YouTube sucks)
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:03 pm to VOR
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VOR
movies you love but are disgusted by the politics or agenda
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I wouldn't say disgusted, but The Hurt Locker is pretty damn right wing. It's a well-made flag-waving piece that fetishizes military service.
Interesting. I can see how someone may view it that way, but it didn't strike me so much as the case. I thought it was actually a character study of a guy who was a fatalist and who couldn't really cut it in the real world. And I actually thought the movie demonstrated the futility of those types of military incursions.
agree ...
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:06 pm to Master of Sinanju
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I thought this was a goofy attempt by the creators to have a "cool twist". It was a roll-my-eyes moment for me, and I think the movie would've been better off without it.
We are all aware that the source material for the film is a graphic novel from the 80s, right?
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