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re: Ruling on SELA catcher tossing ball to his dugout
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:09 am to ell_13
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:09 am to ell_13
When Bregman scored it appeared to be live because the umpire didn't even know where the ball was and hadn't ruled it dead.
After the argument from SLU and the umpires discussed it they ruled it was dead when it went into the dugout. That's why the home plate umpire put his hands in the air and pointed to third after their discussion. He was "officially" awarding the base to Hale even though he had advanced there when everyone thought the play was live.
In the end the official ruling was the same as a wild throw from the outfield going into the third base dugout.
After the argument from SLU and the umpires discussed it they ruled it was dead when it went into the dugout. That's why the home plate umpire put his hands in the air and pointed to third after their discussion. He was "officially" awarding the base to Hale even though he had advanced there when everyone thought the play was live.
In the end the official ruling was the same as a wild throw from the outfield going into the third base dugout.
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:10 am to ell_13
Oh well maybe I thought he was inside the dugout, but in any event if anybody outside of the 9 defensive players touch a live ball it immediately becomes a dead ball and the runners get a base.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:12 am to Tigerfan613
quote:That's what we were discussing earlier with reference to the Larry Walker play where he tried to get the ball back from a fan.
if anybody outside of the 9 defensive players touch a live ball it immediately becomes a dead ball
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:13 am to Tigerfan613
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but in any event if anybody outside of the 9 defensive players touch a live ball it immediately becomes a dead ball and the runners get a base.
This is definitely not true.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:14 am to MOT
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When Bregman scored it appeared to be live because the umpire didn't even know where the ball was and hadn't ruled it dead. After the argument from SLU and the umpires discussed it they ruled it was dead when it went into the dugout. That's why the home plate umpire put his hands in the air and pointed to third after their discussion. He was "officially" awarding the base to Hale even though he had advanced there when everyone thought the play was live.
This is exactly what I think ended up being the ruling in the end.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:15 am to PurpleAndGold86
When is it not true other than the ball hitting the umpire?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:17 am to Tigerfan613
A shortstop fields a ball and overthrows first base and hits the first base coach. The ball is live.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:20 am to PurpleAndGold86
A hitter hits a ball down the line that is a fair ball and the ball inadvertently strikes the bullpen catcher in foul territory. I believe that would be a live ball as well.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:21 am to PurpleAndGold86
And a throw hitting a baserunner.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:23 am to Tigerfan613
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Oh well maybe I thought he was inside the dugout, but in any event if anybody outside of the 9 defensive players touch a live ball it immediately becomes a dead ball and the runners get a base.
It's more about the ball going out of the field of play.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:03 am to TigerCub
In this case the coach is an extension of the dugout, hence the reason they are supposed to be in the dugout. Same as a first or third base coach having to be in their boxes. They are entitle to that spot, but if they are involved with a play outside of that are, they are guilty of interference.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:00 am to NBR_Exile
quote:Lol wut?
There is no timeout in baseball
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:10 am to LSUTygerFan
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He just kept holding the ball up with two fingers like he was showing off a blood diamond.
i want this pic !
someone with time needs to go watch the highlights on lsusports and screen shot where they show him holding the ball.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:17 am to bbap
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screen shot where they show him holding the ball.
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:17 am to PurpleAndGold86
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As soon as the coach touched it, it was ruled dead as if it entered the dugout.
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As soon as the coach touched it, it was ruled dead as if it entered the dugout.
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quote:You are correct, it was a live ball, while it was rolling to the dugout. As soon as the coach touched it, it is a dead ball. He couldn't pick it up and then throw it back into play. Yes Bregman kept running, but what did you want him to do just walk home.
No, actually it was still a live ball. That is the reason the runners kept running.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:20 am to Awesome All Day
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As soon as the coach touched it, it is a dead ball.
No. The umpires didn't rule it dead at the time. That's why they stood their just watching all of the runners run without throwing their hands in the air. They probably ruled the play dead AFTER the 3 umpires discussed the play.
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Yes Bregman kept running, but what did you want him to do just walk home.
No, because, at the time, the play was still live.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:21 am to Awesome All Day
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what did you want him to do
point at the catcher and laugh?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:22 am to LSUTygerFan
Nice pic. Looks like he is about to perform a magic trick. 
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:25 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Maybe once the 3 got together they ruled it dead and determined everyone should get two bases? But technically the ball also never left the field of play. The coach picked it up in FRONT of the dugout.
Once the coach picks up the ball the play is dead.
The other instances where you refer to the ball touching someone other than one of the 9 defensive players are all inadvertent instances. If a coach or fan or ball girl, for example, grabs the ball the play is dead.
In your instance with the Mets, the reason the umps gave 2 bases is that if an OF throws a ball out of play it's a 2 base error as opposed to an INF (which it is a one base error... hence a 2B throws a ground ball into the dugout batter gets 2nd base).
Bregman could have walked home, doesn't matter that he kept running...he was awarded the base.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:28 am to PurpleAndGold86
quote:Then they screwed up.
No. The umpires didn't rule it dead at the time. That's why they stood their just watching all of the runners run without throwing their hands in the air. They probably ruled the play dead AFTER the 3 umpires discussed the play.
quote:No it really wasn't. Once the coach picked up the ball, play is dead. Bregman did what he was supposed to...don't ever rely on the umps...but the play was dead & the umps got the call right in the end.
No, because, at the time, the play was still live.
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