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re: Are kids who take Karate more or less likely to get into a fight?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:10 am to rebeloke
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:10 am to rebeloke
I boxed when I was young. A couple tapes got out of me and my friends beating the crap out of each other on off days from the gym. Trainer didn't really like us sparring too much at the gym. That made it less likely anybody would try to mess with you at school. It wasn't about how good you fought, it was about balls. I only got in a few fights. Several occasions I was a "ref" of street fights. No jumping in, stop when I say it's over. A few times people didn't obey the two rules and I got to tangle a bit. It is quite fun to use your skills, but if your kid knows the consequences and your a strong parent he will keep it in check.
I also found my number one advantage over others was condition. I think most fights went to the ground because people get exhausted after a minute. I could go five no problem. Counter for one minute, turn it on.
I also found my number one advantage over others was condition. I think most fights went to the ground because people get exhausted after a minute. I could go five no problem. Counter for one minute, turn it on.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:14 am to MWP
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Speaking of experience, you want to walk away from each and every fight that you can unless bodily harm of you or your family is immenent. Verbal assaults, let it fricking go. So what if your pride is damaged or you look bad in front of your friends. You get into a fight and use your training and hurt the poor fricker, he is going to sue you more than likely or try and press charges. Not very pleasant situation trust me.
Couldn't agree more.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:15 am to Libertariantiger
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I could go five no problem.
I have never seen a fight last more than a minute or 2. I just don't think the guys I have seen that knew karate ever faired well in street fights. If the 2 squared off like it was a competition it may be different.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:15 am to Salmon
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every kid I knew that was in to karate was weird as hell and mostly just used their mad skills on trees and shite
This is correct.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:18 am to Jazzbass13
quote:I think there is one at Old Hammond and Cedar Crest in the center with the grocery store.
Anyone know of any krav maga gyms here?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:34 am to Chicken
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Chief Illiniwek claimed he knew karate but I never saw him use it. I think he may have been pulling my leg.
Chief Illiniwek, the official mascot of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign? I had to google that one.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 11:59 am to LSUengineer12
It could go either way, really. I knew one guy who was a 2nd degree BB at age 18 and nobody ever wanted to fight him just because of the perception. Most of his schoolmates, including me always yearned for the showdown fight between him and one of the billy bad asses of the school but he was really such a well rounded and liked guy that he was always able to avoid that showdown by being polite and offering a hand in friendship to those who might have challenged him. He had the respect of the few guys notorious for being "good" fighters.
I will say that I did see him go Steven Segal on 3 guys in a club in Atlanta 3 years after HS. It was really quite impressive. Looked like Jason Bourne type of crap.
Then, we had several kids who let everybody know they took karate and bragged about it a bit. They always drew the attention of challengers and usually got beat down with a quickness.
In sum, I think it has to do with how a kid views and respects the discipline. Keep it on the down low and don't invite attention to yourself and he will learn a valuable skill that he can use for both physical and mental training his whole life. Or, be a douchebag about it and invite not only arse beatings but ridicule and scorn from his peers.
Just have that talk with him and teach him about the right way to respect the discipline. Help him understand the crap he will bring on himself if he doesn't. Also, I suggest BJJ or even Judo before karate. As mentioned, every fight usually ends up on the ground within a matter of seconds and it's far more advantageous for someone trained to utilize leverage and an arsenal of holds to keep it on the ground.
I will say that I did see him go Steven Segal on 3 guys in a club in Atlanta 3 years after HS. It was really quite impressive. Looked like Jason Bourne type of crap.
Then, we had several kids who let everybody know they took karate and bragged about it a bit. They always drew the attention of challengers and usually got beat down with a quickness.
In sum, I think it has to do with how a kid views and respects the discipline. Keep it on the down low and don't invite attention to yourself and he will learn a valuable skill that he can use for both physical and mental training his whole life. Or, be a douchebag about it and invite not only arse beatings but ridicule and scorn from his peers.
Just have that talk with him and teach him about the right way to respect the discipline. Help him understand the crap he will bring on himself if he doesn't. Also, I suggest BJJ or even Judo before karate. As mentioned, every fight usually ends up on the ground within a matter of seconds and it's far more advantageous for someone trained to utilize leverage and an arsenal of holds to keep it on the ground.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:10 pm to Dick Leverage
Let him take karate if he wants to do it. Karate is not a great skill, in my opinion, for practical applications. If you want your son to learn to strike have him start out with boxing.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:30 pm to DanTiger
There is a guy in our area that is a master of Wing Chun Kung Fu. I enrolled his mother in the plan I rep. While there he showed me some moves on his Wing Chun Dummy. He was really fast. He said that he was only lacked taking a student through the entire program in order to be a grand master.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:31 pm to rebeloke
Martial arts, martial farts. Get your kid a gun.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 1:06 pm to DanTiger
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If you want your son to learn to strike have him start out with boxing.
Could not agree more. If it's a half arse worth a shite gym, you will at least learn how to stand properly and throw a decent punch which is about 100 times better than the so called tough guys that may be big and huge but throw windmill haymakers that my 90 year old maw maw could dodge. If they stick with it, they can learn the finer points such as good footwork, throwing a combination, and sparring with an opponent where they can actually feel what it is like to get hit, which is something a lot of billy bad arses have never even felt.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:40 pm to DanTiger
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Karate is not a great skill, in my opinion, for practical applications. If you want your son to learn to strike have him start out with boxing.
If you don't think karate can teach you how to strike with great skill, do a little research on Mas Oyama and let me know of any boxers that did that on a regular basis.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:53 pm to Buck_Rogers
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If you don't think karate can teach you how to strike with great skill, do a little research on Mas Oyama and let me know of any boxers that did that on a regular basis
This sounds fishy:
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Oyama tested himself in a kumite, a progression of fights, each lasting two minutes, and each after the featured participant wins. Oyama devised the 100-man kumite which he went on to complete three times in a row over the course of three days.[5]
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He was also known for fighting bulls bare-handed. In his lifetime, he battled 52 bulls, three of which were purportedly killed instantly with one strike, earning him the nickname of "Godhand". Many martial artists believe that the bulls he beat were at a disadvantage, because they were tamed and tied with nose rings and rope when Mas Oyama fought them.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 3:01 pm to DanTiger
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This sounds fishy
There is video backing up his bull fights. In one he can be seen breaking the bulls horn off with one strike. Also, the kumite is a real thing. It is not like the kumite you probably saw on Blood Sport though. They just used the name kumite for that movie.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 3:04 pm to Buck_Rogers
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Also, the kumite is a real thing.
Believe me when I tell you I know it is real.
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It is not like the kumite you probably saw on Blood Sport though.
Are you trying to say that movie was not accurate? I would love to see you say that to the real Chong Li's face.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 3:18 pm to DanTiger
I think that monkey guy fighting the sumo wrestler is as real as it gets.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:32 pm to rebeloke
Any Martial Arts, if taught properly and learned properly is about self discipline.
Be like water, my Friend...Bruce Lee
Be like water, my Friend...Bruce Lee
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:37 pm to Chief Illiniwek
I would also have to agree that Jujitsu, Judo, Wrestling, or even Aikido, are arts that children should learn prior to stand up arts like Tae Kwon Do and Karate.
Using your opponents momentum and leverage is huge in a fight.
Using your opponents momentum and leverage is huge in a fight.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:13 pm to rebeloke
It's a great thing for him to get into at that age. He ought to actually have some muscle control by then and can really develop into a sharp martial artist if he is really focused. The biggest concern is the school that he goes to. I would highly recommend taking a look around at several clubs where youcan observe a class or two, and aactually see how they are run. Try to avoid ones in a shopping center, or ones that the instructor is under 30 and has something like a 6th or 7th degree black belt. It usually means he isn't highly trained or respected in the martial arts world, but rather paid for his belt. A general rule of thumb is that with Tae Kwon do or a Japanese Karate style is that it should be a minimum of 4-5 years to earn a black belt. After that, each degree should take at least that number of years to test for the next rank (ie a 3rd degree black belt spent 5 years to get 1st degree black, 2 more for second and 3 more for third.) After they reach 5th, which is master ranking, the degree is more based upon their teaching and contributions to the martial art. Ask the instructor what organization granted his ranking. For example, a Tae Kwon Do master should have his belt from other the World Tae Kwon Do Federation or United States Tae Kwon Do Grandmasters Society or another organizing body. Be wary of spending your money on some guy who claims his school is "a combination of X and Y" styles. You ought to be able to tell if it is worth the money to send your son to a certain school just by watching a few classes and sitting down with the instructor to find out his credentials and how he runs his club. Do not enroll at a place that seems unorganized, has a lack of clear discipline in a class, and seems to bounce from one thing to another in an hour class. There should be a clear flow and organization to the content of the class. When students are practicing techniques, see if instructors are actually correcting poor form, or are just counting and going through the motions. Martial arts classes are expensive and can be very beneficial if done right. If done poorly, then your sonwill just be tthe kid with enough knowledge and confidence to get himself into trouble.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:34 pm to rebeloke
first off, majority of the kids in those classes are pretty good kids with good judgment. the discipline they get from the class makes them that much better as a person.
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