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Mad Hatter 2005-08 v. Les Miles 2009 - Present
Posted on 2/18/14 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 2/18/14 at 2:58 pm
This thread was inspired by the LSU GOAT thread.
Watching LSU football the last few years, Miles has completely shifted his persona from his first several seasons of foot-to-the-floor aggression to a grind-it-out approach. This much is obvious.
I think we all surmise that the reason for this change was brought about by the number of interceptions in 2008, in combination with the fact that our defense has been immensely more reliable in years past than the offense.
The point is this, to be the GOAT, not only do we need the 2014,15, and 16 recruiting classes, I believe we also need the Hatter to return. We can put up 10-win seasons regularly, this we know, but we all want more and have it sitting there for the taking.
With the talent we're stockpiling, I don't see a reason why we can't get back to that same type of aggressive play-calling. We don't have to hide the defense or protect the offense.
God, I hate February - August.
Watching LSU football the last few years, Miles has completely shifted his persona from his first several seasons of foot-to-the-floor aggression to a grind-it-out approach. This much is obvious.
I think we all surmise that the reason for this change was brought about by the number of interceptions in 2008, in combination with the fact that our defense has been immensely more reliable in years past than the offense.
The point is this, to be the GOAT, not only do we need the 2014,15, and 16 recruiting classes, I believe we also need the Hatter to return. We can put up 10-win seasons regularly, this we know, but we all want more and have it sitting there for the taking.
With the talent we're stockpiling, I don't see a reason why we can't get back to that same type of aggressive play-calling. We don't have to hide the defense or protect the offense.
God, I hate February - August.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:07 pm to chilge1
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his first several seasons of foot-to-the-floor aggression
Largely a myth. He went for it on fourth because he had a high percentage back who could pick those two yards up, and defenses that weren't quite what we've become used to. He was still very conservative in other aspects of the game.
2012 vs Bama featured some of Miles' most aggressive moments. His decision making is more a reflection of personnel, not years he's been on the job. If this year's OL is as dominant as projected, we'll see a lot of short yardage 4th down nods and people will say "DA HAT BACK BABY," but it will have just been a calculated risk that was favorable based on the percentages.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:13 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
I tend to agree with you, but I'm notsomuch refering to the 7 4th down conversions v. Florida and more about
Fake FG v. USC
Byrd TD v. Auburn
etc. etc.
Fake FG v. USC
Byrd TD v. Auburn
etc. etc.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:21 pm to chilge1
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Fake FG v. USC
We've faked field goals since then.
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Byrd TD v. Auburn
Wasn't that big of a gamble until Flynn took so long to get the snap.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:28 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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He went for it on fourth because he had a high percentage back who could pick those two yards up
quote:
it will have just been a calculated risk that was favorable based on the percentages.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:34 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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foot-to-the-floor aggression
Largely a myth
Not really. Miles always beat the tar out bad teams in his first few years here. Somewhere, it started a trend where we would beat shitty SEC teams by 15 instead of 30 and even in some instances lose to them.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:36 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Les Miles
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calculated
Some would disagree with this assessment.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:41 pm to The 25 Jersey
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2005-08
all day, every day (except for that 2008 season)
Posted on 2/18/14 at 4:25 pm to lsuhunt555
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Not really. Miles always beat the tar out bad teams in his first few years here. Somewhere, it started a trend where we would beat shitty SEC teams by 15 instead of 30 and even in some instances lose to them.
I disagree. Some examples:
2005:
L Tennessee (5-6 record) 27-30
W Arkansas (4-7) 19-17
2006:
W Bama (6-7) 28-14
W Ole Miss (4-8) 23-20 OT
2007:
W Bama (7-6) 41-34
W South Carolina (6-6) 28-16
L Arkansas (8-5) 48-50 OT
In 2008, we lost 5 games so I won't list those losses.
I am a "Miles guy", but he has been pretty consistent over the years as far as playing down to lower level SEC competition 2-3 times a season.
The major change in Miles has been a shift from a little more Single Back/Shotgun 3-4 wr sets that Jimbo and Crowton ran to more I Formation 1-2 wr sets that we run now. We have incorporated each into our offenses throughout the Miles era, but have been much more I Formation the past couple of seasons.
Agree with others about Miles making the right calls and going for it on 4th and short when he should have. The problem is when Miles calls a fake punt, reverse on 4th down, onside kick, etc... and it works, people call him the Mad Hatter. When he calls one and it doesn't work, people call him an idiot.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 4:37 pm to BearTiger
LSU as a program has always played down to weaker competition as long as I have been following LSU football, which has been since I was a boy in the 80's.
This is not a Les Miles thing. It is the culture of LSU overall.
Saban changed it some, but then lost to Arkansas in 2002, Florida in 2003, and struggled the entire 2004 season. His memory here is largely exaggerated when it comes to dominance.
Miles has been the best coach that LSU has ever had over a 9 year period and with great recruiting classes and two top notch coordinators, the next 3-4 years look to continue the trend.
I would rather have the Les Miles of 2014-16 than the Les Miles of 2005-08 because the game is totally different now and Les keeps adapted and winning 10+ games per year in the toughest division of the toughest conference in the history of college football. Enjoy it while it lasts.
This is not a Les Miles thing. It is the culture of LSU overall.
Saban changed it some, but then lost to Arkansas in 2002, Florida in 2003, and struggled the entire 2004 season. His memory here is largely exaggerated when it comes to dominance.
Miles has been the best coach that LSU has ever had over a 9 year period and with great recruiting classes and two top notch coordinators, the next 3-4 years look to continue the trend.
I would rather have the Les Miles of 2014-16 than the Les Miles of 2005-08 because the game is totally different now and Les keeps adapted and winning 10+ games per year in the toughest division of the toughest conference in the history of college football. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:09 pm to AlaTiger
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Saban changed it some
I agree with everything you said except the above.
UAB?
Saban was worse than Miles when it came to playing down to bad competition. We have never lost to a non-AQ school under Miles.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:01 pm to LSU03
I get so tired of our fans griping about playing "down" to our competition...beating anyone in the SEC can be difficult, regardless of their record...
I understand being disappointed the team didn't crush a seemingly crappy team but to criticize Miles for how he is winning is asinine...
CLM's job description is to run a clean program, graduate kids and win games...not win games with a margin our 'tard fans are comfortable with...
I understand being disappointed the team didn't crush a seemingly crappy team but to criticize Miles for how he is winning is asinine...
CLM's job description is to run a clean program, graduate kids and win games...not win games with a margin our 'tard fans are comfortable with...
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