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re: True NBA center piece players...
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:27 pm to burdman
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:27 pm to burdman
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I just find it hard to believe your center piece can be a 6 foot tall jump shooter.
This. Allen Iverson is the only guy I can think of that would fit that bill.
A true NBA centerpiece has to be a 4, 5, or an absurd 3, period.
For example, Kobe is an elite SG, but no team built around him has ever done shite.
The answer right now is LeBron James for what he did in Cleveland and possibly Dwight because of what he did in Orlando. The next closest player to a true centerpiece is AD, IMO.
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:27 pm to Dr. Shultz
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I'm not saying he couldn't be a franchise player but I don't think he is on the level of those other guys who actually built teams up from the bottom.
Agree. I think most of the players who in their first couple of years and are really good, are all kind of wait and see.
Except, AD, but I'm biased.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:28 pm to slackster
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slackster
I agree 110% with all of that.
ETA: What AI did with that Philly team in 2000 (or 2001?) is insane.
This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:30 pm to slackster
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The answer right now is LeBron James for what he did in Cleveland and possibly Dwight because of what he did in Orlando. The next closest player to a true centerpiece is AD, IMO.
So AD and Dwight, but not Durant. Seems legit.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:31 pm to slackster
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The answer right now is LeBron James for what he did in Cleveland and possibly Dwight because of what he did in Orlando
This is the only real answer. CP3 carried some bad NOLA teams, too.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:31 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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no
why?
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:33 pm to floridatigah
Durant is undoubtedly a true center piece.
But there is no question he has had more help than Lebron did in 2007 or Dwight Howard had in 2009(if that's the right year)
LeBron, Durant
and then everyone else.
But there is no question he has had more help than Lebron did in 2007 or Dwight Howard had in 2009(if that's the right year)
LeBron, Durant
and then everyone else.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:33 pm to slackster
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For example, Kobe is an elite SG, but no team built around him has ever done shite.
Umm... Are you saying the Lakers most recent title teams were built around Pau and Bynum?
I think Kobe gets vastly overrated but to say teams built around him haven't done shite is nuts.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:34 pm to Dr RC
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Umm... Are you saying the Lakers most recent title teams were built around Pau and Bynum?
He was good with Shaq.
Then missed the playoffs and was the #8 seed and lost in the first round the next 2 years.
Then they got Gasol and Bynum and they were good again.
So while Kobe is great, he has never done anything without really good to great bigs.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:39 pm to floridatigah
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So AD and Dwight, but not Durant. Seems legit
I said AD is the next closest, but I did not include him in a true centerpiece yet. FWIW, I'd have Durant right behind AD, and that has nothing to do with their ability and everything to do with their position and scarcity.
It is almost impossible to build a team around a jumpshooter, hence the knock on Durant. This season is the first time Durant has given a glimmer of hope that he can carry a team on his own. I understand that AD is more of a reach than Durant at this point, but I can get production from a replacement much cheaper at SG than I can at PF or C.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:45 pm to slackster
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It is almost impossible to build a team around a jumpshooter, hence the knock on Durant.
Not if the jumpshooter shoots consistently at a high percentage.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:47 pm to slackster
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FWIW, I'd have Durant right behind AD
L O frickING L
I'd gladly build a franchise around Marc Gasol
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:49 pm to Dr RC
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Are you saying the Lakers most recent title teams were built around Pau and Bynum?
No not at all. I don't think being the best player on your team equals being the centerpiece.
If you had to pick a player to build your team around, even a 2006 Kobe Bryant can't be very high on the list. It is not a knock on Kobe, it is a business decision. Which player is more valuable relative to his salary and replacement cost? The answer is some SFs, PFs, and Cs - freaks like Jordan and Iverson notwithstanding.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:51 pm to slackster
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FWIW, I'd have Durant right behind AD
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:52 pm to burdman
So what you are saying is that Kobe couldn't do anything until he had other good players built around him. Who knew 
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:52 pm to RTR America
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I'd gladly build a franchise around Marc Gasol
you won't see a more homer pick than this one if the thread goes 10+ pages. MARC GASOL?
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:52 pm to Boomshockalocka
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What has a franchise built around chris paul ever done in the playoffs? Add Dwight, remove Chrissy. At least a team built around Dwight has made the finals once(soon to be 2x in the next year or two).
I wouldn't be so sure about that...
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:52 pm to slackster
Damn. I thought you at least just forgot about Durant, that's some next level homer justification there.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:53 pm to papz
Durant got 4-1'd by Memphis last season without Westbrook. He shot 51% during the regular season and 46% in the playoffs without Westbrook (i think he was hurt in the 1st game vs houston).
Durant is no doubt a stud and is probably in the same league as LBJ etc, but he fell short last season and hasn't won anything without Westbrook (Who is a top 10 player when healthy) by his side
Durant is no doubt a stud and is probably in the same league as LBJ etc, but he fell short last season and hasn't won anything without Westbrook (Who is a top 10 player when healthy) by his side
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:54 pm to slackster
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I'd have Durant right behind AD
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