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Global warming question for both sides....
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:42 am
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:42 am
I want anyone to disprove my way of thinking....
Every time I hear an event happening, freezing, a flood, a drought, etc, I also hear some quote along the lines of "this is the worst since 1931, 1876, 1912" (or some other random date that the event equaled)
SO my question is, what was the cause of the event in the past? Or Dems arguing that the climate change is actually a "returning to past" climate change? All of these events have a history of happening in the past. So why is today considered "change".
Every time I hear an event happening, freezing, a flood, a drought, etc, I also hear some quote along the lines of "this is the worst since 1931, 1876, 1912" (or some other random date that the event equaled)
SO my question is, what was the cause of the event in the past? Or Dems arguing that the climate change is actually a "returning to past" climate change? All of these events have a history of happening in the past. So why is today considered "change".
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:45 am to GeeOH
The real question is, if you accept the premise that humans can affect global climate, what 'temperature' (year) should it be set at? 1990? 1800? 1200?
If warming is so bad, why is the temp we are now so good? Wouldn't warming open more fertile land in the arctic and antarctic regions?
If warming is so bad, why is the temp we are now so good? Wouldn't warming open more fertile land in the arctic and antarctic regions?
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:48 am to GeeOH
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Every time I hear an event happening, freezing, a flood, a drought, etc
if you're hearing about a single event like that in reference to climate change theory, from either side, you should ignore it as irrelevant to the debate. they're either stupid or trolling the other side
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:54 am to GeeOH
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Every time I hear an event happening, freezing, a flood, a drought, etc, I also hear some quote along the lines of "this is the worst since 1931, 1876, 1912" (or some other random date that the event equaled)
If it is the hottest on record, the dems will at minimum implicitly imply that it is a result of global warming. If it is the coldest on record, dems will either implicity imply that it is a result of global warming...or tell point out that weather is not the same as climate.
All of it is a campaign to play upon people's fear in an attempt to get major tax revenue additions.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:56 am to GeeOH
Greenland...was named 'Green Land'...for a reason, GO. Now what caused warmer temps back then, or whether man's effect re GH gases now...has less to do with Science than it does (Authoritarian Socialist) Politics.
Back in the Hippie Days, when I was in the groove ...it was the Commies that were pushing the Global Cooling meme. Same now.
And even if it's man's oil-based technology that is raising GH gases...we are going to need a vibrant economy to make the next technological leap to a more 'Green'-based civilization.
Of course, populations are key. We'll likely get a major die off from war, viral plague or the fast-rising impotence of anti-biotics. GW will be a moot issue.
Now if one wants to talk respect, and reverence for 'mother earth'...or the Principle of Beauty as such affects societal health of our species...that's a whole nother animal. And probably far more productive that the scaremonger/sky is falling meme of the Authoritarian Left.
Back in the Hippie Days, when I was in the groove ...it was the Commies that were pushing the Global Cooling meme. Same now.
And even if it's man's oil-based technology that is raising GH gases...we are going to need a vibrant economy to make the next technological leap to a more 'Green'-based civilization.
Of course, populations are key. We'll likely get a major die off from war, viral plague or the fast-rising impotence of anti-biotics. GW will be a moot issue.
Now if one wants to talk respect, and reverence for 'mother earth'...or the Principle of Beauty as such affects societal health of our species...that's a whole nother animal. And probably far more productive that the scaremonger/sky is falling meme of the Authoritarian Left.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:03 am to GeeOH
I always wonder what caused climate change in the past as well. Many of the comparative dates are slightly before or during the Industrial Revolution. Our planet has gone through many warming and cooling periods. I'm no scientist, what is the primary evidence that THIS CHANGE is manmade versus all the other times that were just cyclical change?
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:21 pm to GeeOH
The tri state tornado was an act of God that occurred in the mid 20's and still can't be explained. Were that to happen today, it would be called an impossible event that could only be explained by climate change.
Problem is it happened 90 years ago.
Problem is it happened 90 years ago.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:14 pm to GeeOH
I'll simplify it down for the idiots here, lock yourself in a closed garage and leave your vehicle running. See how long you will last.
Thus why I laugh when I here the extreme right bringing up "well in 1900 the temperature was was this and that".
Thus why I laugh when I here the extreme right bringing up "well in 1900 the temperature was was this and that".
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:25 am to GeeOH
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SO my question is, what was the cause of the event in the past? Or Dems arguing that the climate change is actually a "returning to past" climate change? All of these events have a history of happening in the past. So why is today considered "change".
Whoa.
That's deeply vague.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:39 am to GeeOH
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SO my question is, what was the cause of the event in the past?
Impossible to come up with 'causality' for a very, very complex system such as the Earth's atmosphere. All who try are wasting their time.
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Or Dems arguing that the climate change is actually a "returning to past" climate change?
Yes, their arguments around this issue are asinine.
The Democrats should take the position that businesses producing effluents, discharged to atmosphere, shall always have the 'burden-of-proof' on them. The bigger the point-source of pollution, the more harm it could possibly cause. IOW, 100 LB/HR pollution from one heater stack is much more of a concern than 1 LB/HR pollution from 100 individual point-sources.
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