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Obama's alleged Executive Order "dictatorship"
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:41 pm
This has been a huge right wing media talking point for awhile and the lemmings on here have clung to it out of their extreme hatred of Obama.
I certainly have reservations about the growing power of the executive since 9/11 as well as the executive order process in general. That's a perfectly reasonable discussion to have. But before you succumb to the fear mongering and "anger points" that are being fed to you I thought you should take a look at the facts for a change.
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I certainly have reservations about the growing power of the executive since 9/11 as well as the executive order process in general. That's a perfectly reasonable discussion to have. But before you succumb to the fear mongering and "anger points" that are being fed to you I thought you should take a look at the facts for a change.
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:46 pm to Draconian Sanctions
The point the article seems to miss is that much of the concern from the right stems from Obama's State of the Union speech and his declared intent to use executive orders MORE in the FUTURE, bypassing congress MORE often than he has in the PAST.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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You have a president who is claiming the right to basically rewrite or ignore or negate federal laws. That is a dangerous thing.
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what we're seeing now is the usurpation of authority that's unprecedented in this country.
quote:-- Right Wing Media Lemming and Obama Hater Jonathan Turley February 2014
Well, you know, a system in which a single individual is allowed to rewrite legislation or ignore legislation is a system that borders on authoritarianism. I don't believe that we are that system yet. But we cannot ignore that we're beginning to ignore a system that is a pretense of democracy if a president is allowed to take a law and just simply say, 'I'm going to ignore this,' or, 'I'm going to shift funds that weren't appropriated by Congress into this area.'
The president's State of the Union indicated this type of unilateralism that he has adopted as a policy. Now, many people view that as somehow empowering. In my view, it's dangerous, that is what he is suggesting is to essentially put our system off line. This is not the first time that convenience has become the enemy of principle. But we've never seen it to this extent.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
That article is disingenuous. Not all EOs are equal. Some toe the line of constitutionality more than others, wouldn't you agree?
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:48 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I hate Obama.
I hate executive orders.
Does it matter how many he has executed? Nawp.
So he has only written one more than Bush in the modern era with years left to this term.
What exactly does that prove?
I hate executive orders.
Does it matter how many he has executed? Nawp.
So he has only written one more than Bush in the modern era with years left to this term.
What exactly does that prove?
Posted on 2/15/14 at 10:53 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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And what we've been seeing is the shift of gravity within that system in a very dangerous way that makes it unstable, and I think that's what the president is doing. I think that we've become a nation of enablers.
I think many people will come to loathe that they remained silent during this period
I'm afraid this is beginning to border on a cult of personality for people on the left
Posted on 2/15/14 at 11:52 pm to Draconian Sanctions
declaring national doughnut week is different from arbitrarily changing this failed law because it is such a failure, it has to be manipulated; a law that was inflicted on the country by one party...for all the talk about the need for bi partisanship on the left and yet they still want to cram it down the throats of every citizen, no matter what it takes, government control must be achieved.
the really sad part is that Republicans are too lame to call him out and stand up to him
the really sad part is that Republicans are too lame to call him out and stand up to him
Posted on 2/16/14 at 6:34 am to Draconian Sanctions
Would you agree that comparing just the sheer number and not the types of orders is a weak arse bullshite comparison? It puts an executive order to fly flags at half mast on the same footing as ignoring or changing federal law.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 6:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
Please read LAs post again right below your OP. Obama hates viscerally the Constitution, and Republicans because they oppose his will. He definitely wants and has stated so about it the powers of a tyrant. The misuse of the word "alleged" is sickening to see in far too many cases and his desires and your OP are definitely one of them.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 6:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
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have clung to it out of their extreme hatred of Obama.
How can you possibly know everyone who disagrees with all things Obama do so because of "hatred"?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:09 am to Draconian Sanctions
Good Lord you are patronizing. 
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:15 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I thought you should take a look at the facts for a change
How kind of you. What would the plebes ever do without a brilliant PMH grad to guide them?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:50 am to Draconian Sanctions
If numbers are all that matter rather than extent, then a president could avoid all criticism by issuing a single Executive Order claiming imperial power. Who could possibly complain?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 10:16 am to Draconian Sanctions
The same a-hole that said this, is now stating he is going all in on EOs, but yeah people are "fed" their hatred and talking points. 
Now who was this lying POS?
“I taught constitutional law for ten years. I take the Constitution very seriously. The biggest problems that were facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all, and that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m President of the United States of America.”
Now who was this lying POS?
“I taught constitutional law for ten years. I take the Constitution very seriously. The biggest problems that were facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all, and that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m President of the United States of America.”
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Simply counting executive orders does next to nothing to study to what effect they've been used, how many agencies they are targeted towards, or anything about the content thereof. Executive order usage has been declining for years due to a number of trends, like the fact that in FDR's day presidents routinely used these directives for simple personnel matters that are now handled elsewhere, but the way in which the orders have been used has evolved as well.
I think the claim that Obama's use of these orders is unprecedented is over the top, but nothing about the article linked in the OP refutes any of those particular criticisms people have made. The absolute number of executive orders would be an extremely poor way to measure presidential power because, as is often the case, numbers on their own can be misleading.
I think the claim that Obama's use of these orders is unprecedented is over the top, but nothing about the article linked in the OP refutes any of those particular criticisms people have made. The absolute number of executive orders would be an extremely poor way to measure presidential power because, as is often the case, numbers on their own can be misleading.
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 1:23 pm
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