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re: Science, Race, Homosexuality, Abortion, and Religion
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:53 am to willthezombie
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:53 am to willthezombie
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actually there are codominant. That is why BO's dad is real dark and he is light skinned. If the black parent has (i.e.barak obama) had a kid with a white woman using the punnett square S=black skin and s=white skin.
I know. But that was not the assertion. It was that Obama and Michelle could produce a WHITE child. They can't.
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:57 am to Zach
This thread is kind of all over the place between race, gays, abortion, ect. I think the question that you are asking is should religion get the same respect as science. The answer is no, there many different religions and many people who don't believe or just do not care enough about religion. We need to be careful with science also because even though the scientific method should keep bias out of science, it sometimes gets influenced by politics, money ect.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:58 am to Zach
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I know. But that was not the assertion. It was that Obama and Michelle could produce a WHITE child. They can't.
they can't because from what I can find Michelle is all black her genotyper would be SS. Their daughter have a 25% at passing on a white gene though.
You originally said a black and white parent could not produce a white baby. I just used obama and an example that is why I said if he had a baby with a white woman.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:00 pm to Revo236
Hi Revo, and welcome to the board. Some technical advice. Don't click on Reply to the poster just above you unless that's who you are responding to.
Scroll back up to the guy who you really want to answer.
Scroll back up to the guy who you really want to answer.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:03 pm to Zach
Thanks, I am new at this lol
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:03 pm to Revo236
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This thread is kind of all over the place between race, gays, abortion, ect.
Maybe.
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I think the question that you are asking is should religion get the same respect as science. The answer is no,
OK, now it's all over the place.
Actually religion and science should get the same respect in a healthy society.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:09 pm to willthezombie
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Their daughter have a 25% at passing on a white gene though.
Sure, for melanin content or eye color, but there's no way two Nigerians who had a "whitey in the woodpile" would ever produce a Marilyn Monroe.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:12 pm to son of arlo
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Sure, for melanin content or eye color, but there's no way two Nigerians who had a "whitey in the woodpile" would ever produce a Marilyn Monroe
The "whitey in the woodpile" gene could have been passed down as a recessive gene for unknown number of generations and eventually meet up with another recessive "whitey in the woodpile" gene. Now the odds decrease with every generation but they never go away. As far as the Mailyn Monroe content like I said earlier the white skin would be a different shade of white but you could still classify it as white skin.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:14 pm to son of arlo
There are alot of countries in the middle east that have laws based on religion and I don't think that it works to well. There are some states that probably hold religion above science, especially in the bible belt, that works because the majority of the people there feel the same way and are happy about it.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:26 pm to Hawkeye95
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Well it appears that its epigenitic, which means they are "born" this way. or at least, its outside their control.
Epigenes seems to be behavioral marks that are placed upon genes and the science behind that is really indecisive. Still, it would seem that it is not at the level of genetic or determinative, especially since you have identical twins not both being gay.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:29 pm to Zach
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You have no idea what you're talking about and that's why I'm gonna have some fun with you.
Apparently, you don't know what you are talking about and the fun that you are having is with yourself. So, enjoy.
Height and weight are the exact same things as BREEDS?
There are families with people who are different sizes, hair colors, eye colors, weights, health issues, etc. They are not different breeds.
People do not come in breeds. What is the matter with you?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:33 pm to AlaTiger
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There are families with people who are different sizes, hair colors, eye colors, weights, health issues, etc. They are not different breeds.
1. There are variants in dog breeds. That's why we have mutts and pure breeds.
2. Humans also have variances. But you forget one other factor. Women be bitches.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:35 pm to Revo236
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This thread is kind of all over the place between race, gays, abortion, ect. I think the question that you are asking is should religion get the same respect as science. The answer is no, there many different religions and many people who don't believe or just do not care enough about religion. We need to be careful with science also because even though the scientific method should keep bias out of science, it sometimes gets influenced by politics, money ect.
No, the thread is about one thing and I used 3 examples to make my point (Race, Homosexuality, Abortion). I am not saying that Science and Religion should get the same credence. I am saying that there are issues that are accepted in society as fact that are opposed scientifically, but we don't care. We say that science cannot prove religion, therefore it is invalid. But, science has not proven the claims made by society about Race, Homosexuality, or Abortion either - yet, those issues dominate American life and discourse.
The larger point is that if you can make assertions in these areas based on social constructs or personal opinions, then how can you claim to be an objective society? And, if you allow those views to determine life in America, then how can you simultaneously keep religion out?
The answer seems to be that groups are not able to make assertions about life (e.g., Race, Homosexuality, Abortion) apart from scientific facts or what can be proven. Everything else is just speculation and the law should reflect reality, not the testimony of people or their feelings. Otherwise, you need to open the door for religion as well.
Or, you can just admit that you have an anti-religious bias and you don't really care what else is introduced to society that cannot be proven because that isn't really your concern.
We just need to stop pretending that we are objective or scientific in how we view reality. We are not.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:36 pm to son of arlo
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Actually religion and science should get the same respect in a healthy society.
Which religions?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:39 pm to Zach
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That's why we have mutts and pure breeds.
Do you know what a pure breed is?
It is a mutt that was bred to a certain point and then legitimized as a breed of dog.
Take the golden retriever for example. It is a conglomeration of a bunch of different dogs that was bred in the 1800's in Scotland. Look it up. What is pure about it?
That is the case all the way down the line. Do you know how dog breeding came about? They are all the same species and share genetic traits. They are different breeds because of how they mated.
But, humans are not dogs, either. We are very different.
Also, you are wrong on the science and you are missing my point because of it.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:53 pm to AlaTiger
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Well it appears that its epigenitic, which means they are "born" this way. or at least, its outside their control.
Epigenes seems to be behavioral marks that are placed upon genes and the science behind that is really indecisive. Still, it would seem that it is not at the level of genetic or determinative, especially since you have identical twins not both being gay.
As far as epigenes go there hasn't been any significant theories to back that up. Some researchers have said hey it appears homosexuals express this protein at a higher level than heterosexuals but it hasn't (to my knowledge) been backed up. Obesity is an epigene that has alot more research behind it. There is a very small amount of obese people that have an abnormal leptin gene which makes them more likely to be obese. However the majority of obese people are obese because of diet and lack of excercise you know lifestyle choices. The ones that do have to abnormal leptin gene can have that treated by taking a drug for it and hopefully in the future a gene replacement therapy.
Question for gays and gay rights people, if homosexuality is found to have a epigenetic basis because of an over/under expression of a protein would you be in favor of prescribing medicine that "fixes" the problem so that people are not homosexual anymore?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:53 pm to AlaTiger
I actually agree with you about how we are not objective or scientific in how we view reality. I don't think that I have an anti religious bias unless you or someone else tries to push your own religion on me. It really does not matter to me what anyone believes I do not want to get into a religion argument, I just do not think that religion should be used in laws because we are not all one religion.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:54 pm to AlaTiger
I know more about dog breeds than you will ever learn in your life. There is no difference between breeding a species and a race evolving in the same species by space and time.
People and animals are both mammals. The subset is species for sexual purposes. The next subset is race/breed.
If you don't believe in 'next subset' then take a wolf into your house and see how it behaves.
People and animals are both mammals. The subset is species for sexual purposes. The next subset is race/breed.
If you don't believe in 'next subset' then take a wolf into your house and see how it behaves.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:58 pm to uway
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If you are a Christian, you should never be surprised at the way the world chooses darkness over truth. After all, we believe that the world (in a much more religious time), when presented with the Truth Incarnate, tortured and crucified Him to death.
You're so funny.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:58 pm to willthezombie
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Question for gays and gay rights people, if homosexuality is found to have a epigenetic basis because of an over/under expression of a protein would you be in favor of prescribing medicine that "fixes" the problem so that people are not homosexual anymore?
Just because it is shown to be epigenetic doesn't mean it is a defect that needs to be fixed. I guess it depends on whether or not you believe being gay is a problem.
Jeez, we'd have parents making their children take a drug so that they are heterosexual without having to have the childs consent.
No sir, I don't like it.
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