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re: Liberal dems.. is the core of your beliefs that you want to make life more fair?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:02 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:02 pm to NC_Tigah
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How many public school and Head Start opposition instances do I have to cite?
Or student loan programs, or education grants, etc., for that matter.
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:02 pm to Rex
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Good, and not unexpected... I merely wanted to isolate the exact opposition to what I claimed.
Its less of an opposition and more of a correction on what you define as "entitled". You are not entitled to anyone else's production.
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Now I say that this COUNTRY has afforded YOU an opportunity and assisted you in your quest for food. Is that not true?
A. You can stop using caps to dramatize your statement. Just say what you want to say.
b. Not necessarily, but I will humor you and say yes, so I can let you get to wear you are trying to go with this.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:04 pm to Rex
quote:Or voucher opportunities shut down?
Or student loan programs, or education grants, etc., for that matter.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:04 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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You are not entitled to anyone else's production.
Oh, really? Show me the empirical evidence... the formula you use... that you have paid your fair share for police protection, roads, bridges, public parks, military protection, etc.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:05 pm to Rex
quote:A freaking catastrophe of immense proportions at this point. Driven up the cost of college among myriad other frick ups.
Or student loan programs
Hell. They'd have been better off and probably saved money just to create some regional free federal universities that allowed students who coudn't afford other colleges.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:07 pm to Rex
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Oh, really? Show me the empirical evidence... the formula you use... that you have paid your fair share for police protection, roads, bridges, public parks, military protection, etc.
What about any of that am I entitled to? You think we are entitled to public parks? I could stretch military and policy protection through individual rights If I really wanted to, but are you really going to try and argue we are all entitled to bridges?
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:10 pm to Rex
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Oh, really? Show me the empirical evidence... the formula you use... that you have paid your fair share for police protection, roads, bridges, public parks, military protection, etc.
The govt giving something to someone without asking for their "fair share"(whatever that is defined as) doesn't mean they were "entitled" to it anymore than me giving my neighbor money means he was entitled to it.
And, "entitled" is sort of a personal feeling. IE, one feels "entitled". I say that any person who feels absolutely entitled to the production of someone else is a severely immoral person. I'm pretty sure we had a whole class of people in the south some years ago who felt personally entitled to the production of others. Thought we'd all agreed that wasn't a very good thing.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:12 pm to SettleDown
Exactly. The only things I feel entitled to, are the things I produce for myself.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:12 pm to Jbird
quote:What about it?
Gay marriage?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:14 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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but are you really going to try and argue we are all entitled to bridges?
Of course we're entitled to bridges, but according to your own logic YOU'RE not entitled to use one unless you build it or pay for it all by yourself.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:17 pm to Rex
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YOU'RE not entitled to use one unless you build it or pay for it all by yourself.
Explain to me how you are entitled to using some bridge. Not how you have the ability to use it. How are you entitled to it?
We are all able to use bridges because they have been provided to us by tax payers before us. That doesn't mean we are entitled to them.
I have access to a tax deduction if I am married, but at no means am I entitled to that deduction. Just because it exists, doesn't mean one is entitled to it.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:17 pm to Rex
quote:Making use of something that is there =/= feeling like one was entitled to its production in the first place.
Of course we're entitled to bridges, but according to your own logic YOU'RE not entitled to use one unless you build it or pay for it all by yourself.
Oh. And no, it is fricking moronic to say we are "entitled" to bridges. If we were, then quite obviously, every bridge that any person or group of people wants MUST be build. And, quite clearly, you aren't asserting that.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:18 pm to Rex
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Of course we're entitled to bridges
You are a dumbass
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:20 pm to Tim
Here's a challenge for you: go stand in front of a car at the Crescent City Connection and tell the driver he's not entitled to use the bridge.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:21 pm to Rex
Again, how is he entitled to use the bridge?
If the bridge is closed, are his rights being infringed?
If the bridge is closed, are his rights being infringed?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:22 pm to Rex
And if Person A doesn't have a car, he is entitled to one. After all, it's only fair, he is entitled to the use of the bridge!
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:25 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Again, how is he entitled to use the bridge?
If the bridge is closed, are his rights being infringed?
Don't waste your time trying to engage in an honest dialogue with Rex.
He's a classic sophist.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:25 pm to SettleDown
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Oh. And no, it is fricking moronic to say we are "entitled" to bridges. If we were, then quite obviously, every bridge that any person or group of people wants MUST be build.
No... it means that if their well-being depends on it and if society can provide it then it SHOULD be built.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:25 pm to Rex
quote:You mean for example, the fact some of us pay more tax annually than than most Americans pay in a lifetime. That kind of empirical evidence?
Oh, really? Show me the empirical evidence... the formula you use... that you have paid your fair share for police protection, roads, bridges, public parks, military protection, etc.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:27 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Can one of you explain why my statement is wrong and explain what is the core of your beliefs?
It really isn't possible for a Liberal if asked to post their essential beliefs on substantive important questions in a reasonable, logical progression is possible because there is NO logical cohesion to their views.
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