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re: was Jefferson Davis guilty of treason?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:06 pm to thetempleowl
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:06 pm to thetempleowl
Of course, that's a dumb question.
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:09 pm to mauser
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“All we ask is to be let alone.”
Let alone to maintain bondage of other humans:
South Carolina secession statement
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Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
Mississippi secession statement.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:10 pm to 20MuleTeam
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Of course, that's a dumb question.
The Federal government refused to allow Jefferson Davis to be tried in a court just like they didn't allow secession to be tested in court.
If as many believe secession was legal, then Lincoln was the traitor.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:11 pm to 20MuleTeam
Please show us where you see the right of a state to leave the union denied in the constitution of 1861?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:12 pm to CarrolltonTiger
quote:Exactly.
The Federal government refused to allow Jefferson Davis to be tried in a court just like they didn't allow secession to be tested in court.
If as many believe secession was legal, then Lincoln was the traitor.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:16 pm to Broke
No.
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My family used to own his home
My family owns his sister's home. My son is named after that part of my family. His name is Davis.
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Posted by Broke
My family used to own his home
My family owns his sister's home. My son is named after that part of my family. His name is Davis.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:18 pm to NC_Tigah
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then Lincoln was the traitor.
Lets not go off the deep end
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:23 pm to thetempleowl
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Anyway, was Davis a traitor?
Yes
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Was he a hero?
No
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Should he have been prosecuted and hanged?
No
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how do you think the north views him?
Misguided. His actions (and those of the south) cost many American lives.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:26 pm to asurob1
Davis was absolutely a traitor
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:30 pm to thetempleowl
He was not guilty of treason.
As a northerner who now lives within walking distance of Mr. Jefferson's home I've sent photos of myself visiting the Davis residence to family and friends in Boston who thought it was cool as hell.
As a northerner who now lives within walking distance of Mr. Jefferson's home I've sent photos of myself visiting the Davis residence to family and friends in Boston who thought it was cool as hell.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:38 pm to thetempleowl
nope
Posted on 1/2/14 at 5:51 pm to thetempleowl
What did Davis do that was illegal?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 5:55 pm to TerryDawg03
terrorist acts against america
Posted on 1/2/14 at 5:56 pm to TerryDawg03
Funny thing is that he did more that could have been construed as illegal as CSA president than as a US citizen.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 6:22 pm to goatmilker
As sovereign entities the states had every right to secede. That explains, in part, why Davis was never charged after the war. Even proponents worried that the charges wouldn't stick.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 6:24 pm to thetempleowl
A traitor can be a hero.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 7:04 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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terrorist acts against america
Just wondering, what your opinion of Sherman's actions during the war then?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:05 pm to theenemy
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A traitor can be a hero.
It's certainly a question of perspective. While I take a dim view of Snowden, many do not. Legally though, I think Davis is in the clear.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 12:15 am to thetempleowl
He willfully accepted and executed the powers and responsibilities of the position of Commander-in-Chief of a belligerent power. That is exactly treason. The United States chose not to try him, and he later encouraged loyalty to the Union.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 12:20 am to ballscaster
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He willfully accepted and executed the powers and responsibilities of the position of Commander-in-Chief of a belligerent power. That is exactly treason. The United States chose not to try him, and he later encouraged loyalty to the Union.
That's an accurate description of the legal case. The moral case was worse - he did so to attempt to permanently install an explicitly inhumane regime of white supremacy - one which his state and several others managed to carry forward for nearly 100 years afterward.
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