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re: 247 new ratings out, Hootie drops 50 spots
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:43 am to b rod lsu
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:43 am to b rod lsu
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I also thought it was interesting that when it was interjected that Sonny and Shea both lobbied for Quinn to have a higher ranking, JC replied that if he always took their opinion it would be biased and inaccurate.
Well, you're right..it would be biased. The "inaccurate" isn't a good word to use, though. They have regional scouts that check out the areas. The site mods (Sonny and Shea) tip off these regional scouts, then they do their scouting. I don't blame them for not listening to Sonny and Shea on that, even though its clear that Quinn is the better prospect
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I know it's wouldn't be easy (in terms of time, effort or finance) for those two to start an independent site, but it would be the most ideal option for LSU fans.
I think they are in a contract with 247, and even after they leave, there's a no compete clause in which they can't have a business that deals with the same market (recruiting). I wouldn't even know how long that would be, but they couldn't join 247 after they left scout right away.
This post was edited on 12/24/13 at 9:44 am
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Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:33 am to extremelsu
I understand the point behind this thread but who cares what they are ranked? Get the guys you want, get the guys you need, develop them, win football games.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:36 am to BEATbama05
birkenstock not being around for the Shurbertt melt was disappointing
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:57 am to BEATbama05
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I understand the point behind this thread but who cares what they are ranked? Get the guys you want, get the guys you need, develop them, win football games.
I guess I've had some time to think about this, and there is a part of me that agrees to this and a part that also says there's a bias and it matters.
Although it really doesn't matter, it does. That's honestly how they get away with it (if there really is a bias). They can justify anything by saying, "well, if we're wrong then we will see" and "the rankings don't really matter." So, they can move anyone around whenever they so see fit.
Now, major teams are catered to. LSU is one of those. Would Hootie have dropped so far if he were still committed to Bama? Who knows. I highly doubt it though and that's just my opinion.
I guess I'm just saying that it doesn't matter what the rankings are for these kids and it doesn't impact their future performance. But, it does matter because a lot of us pay for the service and for a lot of us, who wins the recruiting championship matters and it's bragging rights and a LOT of publicity (even though we try to say we don't care). We do care and that's the problem.
When you see on tv that Bama has the no. 1 class, it's frustrating. When someone gets a huge bump and a decommit gets dropped dramatically it alters our opinoin on their services. Until everyone actually admits that they care about these rankings, it will just allow them to move kids around with no repercussions.
With that said, I only have a few problems with the rankings. TQ should be a top 50 player. I think a lot of people wonder why Sims is so high. He's a good player but his current performance isn't on par with others in his position(at this point in time. Maybe he does pan out). They all know it and justify it by his measurables, which is fine and their opinion. Also, Hootie did not perform as a 5 star in the playoffs. That's why he dropped. Now, did he deserve to drop so severely? I don't know, but it caught us all as odd and 247 should have seen that coming.
Anyways, everyone have a great day.
ETA: Jc's explanation on 247 was what we've been hearing for a long time. I had no problem with what he said except for calling posters "butt hurt." That's a cop out, imo. It was basic name calling to try and make people feel silly for caring so much. But, in reality, those people pay for the service and didn't understand some things.
This post was edited on 12/24/13 at 11:07 am
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:59 am to Duckie
if hootie commits to bama, will he jump up another 50 spots after he signs?
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:00 am to TheDoc
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if hootie commits to bama, will he jump up another 50 spots after he signs?
I doubt it because they couldn't justify it and it would look really, really bad.
plus, i think they know that ship has sailed.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:01 am to BEATbama05
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Well, you're right..it would be biased. The "inaccurate" isn't a good word to use, though
I'm in line with that. I understand his point about bias, and I basically agree with that. I was a little surprised that he threw inaccurate in there.
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I understand the point behind this thread but who cares what they are ranked?
I don't think anyone would fault you for having that opinion. If it's not your bag, than it's not your bag.
My point is that if you are going to offer a service that ranks and rates recruits than you should have a pretty good explanation when faced with such obvious discrepancies. The answer given yesterday was that the guy who has proven to be slower, a sloppier route-runner, and weaker hands has "more upside". That's a lazy justification for poor work.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:03 am to Maximus
Are we all in agreement however that Hootie's drop was not warranted? (same for some other increases/drops)
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:04 am to I20goon
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Are we all in agreement however that Hootie's drop was not warranted? (same for some other increases/drops)
I think we all knew a drop was coming, just not such a severe drop.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:05 am to I20goon
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Are we all in agreement however that Hootie's drop was not warranted? (same for some other increases/drops)
Nay
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:06 am to b rod lsu
First off, recruiting rankings matter, they matter to the individual recruits as an affirmation of hard work that began years ago, they matter to the momentum of a recruiting class and they represent good press for the university involved. most of all frick Bama...
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:07 am to I20goon
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Are we all in agreement however that Hootie's drop was not warranted?
The question is not why he dropped, but how did he get to be so high.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:08 am to LSUCanFAN
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First off, recruiting rankings matter, they matter to the individual recruits as an affirmation of hard work that began years ago, they matter to the momentum of a recruiting class and they represent good press for the university involved. most of all frick Bama...
exaclty.
Although recruiting rankings is about as scientific as fantasy football predictions, it does matter. Your school gets a lot of press from a top 5 class and it does effect the momentum of a class. Coaches sell that to kids all the time.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:11 am to I20goon
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Are we all in agreement however that Hootie's drop was not warranted?
I think he was too high to start with. A drop was unavoidable as the other elite safeties were further evaluated.
Notice, I said other elite, not a knock on Hootie, just not the best of the best at this point in time either.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:14 am to tigerfoot
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doubleb
quote:Fair comments. I was wondering if that was the majority opinion here on the RB.
tigerfoot
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Duckie
quote:think you two might be saying the same? just didn't go into the detail?
gismap
This post was edited on 12/24/13 at 11:15 am
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:15 am to Duckie
I am not a tinfoil hat kind of guy but I have never been more disappointed in a recruiting service than I am with 2/47...I had such high hopes for them especially after subscribing to Rivals/ESPN insider before...S/S do a good job but this is Bama homerism at it's worst, the Bama bump LSU loss is real and this just provides empirical data to prove it...
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:47 am to doubleb
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The question is not why he dropped, but how did he get to be so high.
Dropped to where about where he should be accurately ranked. He only got up his inflated ranking as a safety there because of the Bama bump.
I think they should reassign him as an athlete.. he could very well be a 5* athlete.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 1:02 pm to TheWalrus
Good. Let them underrate our guys so we can kick their arse with a "worse" squad.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 1:04 pm to Duckie
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I doubt it because they couldn't justify it and it would look really, really bad.
you act like they care...
clearly at this point they don't IMO
Posted on 12/24/13 at 1:09 pm to TheDoc
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With that said, I only have a few problems with the rankings. TQ should be a top 50 player. I think a lot of people wonder why Sims is so high. He's a good player but his current performance isn't on par with others in his position(at this point in time. Maybe he does pan out). They all know it and justify it by his measurables, which is fine and their opinion. Also, Hootie did not perform as a 5 star in the playoffs. That's why he dropped. Now, did he deserve to drop so severely? I don't know, but it caught us all as odd and 247 should have seen that coming.
Anyways, everyone have a great day.
ETA: Jc's explanation on 247 was what we've been hearing for a long time. I had no problem with what he said except for calling posters "butt hurt." That's a cop out, imo. It was basic name calling to try and make people feel silly for caring so much. But, in reality, those people pay for the service and didn't understand some things.
Well said Duckie. The whole floor/ceiling thing is getting a little old, but I understand it. These analysts also want to be perceived as experts, and can be stubborn in wanting to be right about their evaluations and rankings as opposed to objectively viewing things for what they are. We also have to realize that Trey is a rarity in a sense, as I will be the first to admit that he does not play like a typical white guy so to speak. While everybody wants to compare him to Welker, Decker, Nelson, etc. I think he plays the position differently than anybody we have seen, and many of us, analysts included, simply do not know what to make of it because we have not seen kids "like him" do the things we have seen him do.
Having said that, while perhaps there are other Megatron type WR's out there who should be 1-3, I simply have a hard time believing that there are 18-20 WR's ranked ahead of him at his position based on the body of work he has put out there for four years at 5A and camps. There is NO logical explanation for it and that is what I think is leading to a lack of credibility for these websites.
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