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re: Hoops: LSU 90 @ UMASS 92 - Final
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:38 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:38 pm to LSURussian
I like this team a lot despite the loss. Sure wish we had a marquee OOC at home.
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Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:39 pm to CocomoLSU
Don't even try. He's one of "those" guys. I can't blame the players for fouling when so many calls in that game were questionable, and it was pretty obvious that Williams was going to the goal just to fall down and get the all.
It's like in the Mighty Ducks when he says just take a fall and get the call.
It's like in the Mighty Ducks when he says just take a fall and get the call.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:39 pm to Slapouttiger
quote:Absolutely. This is going to be a really fun season. I encourage fans to enjoy the games and not worry too much about the refs--calls like that are here to stay, so let's pull for the Tigers to figure it out and adjust to the "new" (old) game.
Out transition defense was awful and our outside shooting was not good but I was impressed with our freshman and there athletic ability.. Going to take awhile to work out the kinks but by mid season I see good things happening
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:40 pm to bbap
quote:It's just that I have a good, useful point, and you have a bad, useless point.
actually yes it does matter. making one point (they didnt shoot well from the line) does not negate a completely separate point. which is what you keep trying to do.
When your team shoots 60% from the line and commits 29 fouls (or 23 according to some) in a two-point loss, blaming the refs is completely useless, and blaming free throws and fouling is useful.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:42 pm to UpToPar
I see what the ncaa is trying to do, the hand checking slowed the game down. The ncaa is trying to get the flow of the game back.
It is going to be ugly and in some instances it will be overused, such as some calls today. But overall a better product will be seen on the court due to the rule changes.
It is going to be ugly and in some instances it will be overused, such as some calls today. But overall a better product will be seen on the court due to the rule changes.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:42 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:I'm not forgetting anything. I saw the same refs you saw. My opinion of their performance is the same as yours.
I get what you're trying to do, but you're being intentionally obtuse at this point. If JOB was in the game (like he should have been), those missed FTs are less important because we have our best player scoring points. That's what you are intentionally forgetting.
But...
Missed free throws count.
You thinking the refs sucked doesn't count.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:42 pm to ballscaster
quote:
Yes. That's what they'll be doing. They'll be enforcing the rules more tightly, so teams and players will have to hone their defensive skills better if they wish to succeed at basketball. I've been calling for this to happen for years, and now that it is happening, I'm excited about the inevitable direction of the college game.
The lack of scoring in CBB wasn't due to teams being able to get away with hand-check fouls, it was due to guys simply being unable to knock down open jumpers. Though the Big 10 was miserable to watch, but there were shots to be had. The new rule will increase scoring, but only from the FT line. All the while, slowing games down to a crawl. This was a 2.5 hour game!!! The same guys who couldn't shoot before, still won't be able to.
This post was edited on 11/12/13 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:42 pm to ballscaster
quote:
When your team shoots 60% from the line and commits 29 fouls (or 23 according to some) in a two-point loss, blaming the refs is completely useless, and blaming free throws and fouling is useful.
When the refs call 50 fouls in a game and put your best player in foul trouble early in the second half on bullshite calls in a two-point loss, blaming the free-throw shooting is completely pointless, and blaming the refs and foul calls are useful.
You can see how there can be more than one contributing factor to a loss can't you?
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:43 pm to ballscaster
They missed more free throws than us...but shot 15 more. It's not like they didn't miss, they didn't shoot much better than we did.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:44 pm to ballscaster
Free throws are undoubtedly why we lost this game.But I'm more pissed about where they said Hickey stepped out (close), and the travel when the UMass player jumped over the half-court line at the end
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:44 pm to CocomoLSU
I don't know, but the 4th foul on JOB was beyond horrible. Not only did JOB not touch the guy, the guy stuck his arm out into JOB. HORRIBLE call that really changed the game with that much time.
Mickey is going to be a monster.
Damn I with Martin wouldn't have gotten hurt.
Stringer is a Lil' Beast.
Hickey is good, but damn I wish he had given it up on that 3 on 1
Quarterman will be fine and brings something to this team that we will need as the season progresses.
I'm excited to see how this team grows as the year goes on.
And let's give Umass some credit, that wasn't some Schmo team. Umass should be a tourney caliber team this year.
Mickey is going to be a monster.
Damn I with Martin wouldn't have gotten hurt.
Stringer is a Lil' Beast.
Hickey is good, but damn I wish he had given it up on that 3 on 1
Quarterman will be fine and brings something to this team that we will need as the season progresses.
I'm excited to see how this team grows as the year goes on.
And let's give Umass some credit, that wasn't some Schmo team. Umass should be a tourney caliber team this year.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:44 pm to UpToPar
i say let's put this behind us I think ballscaster has some valid points and hopefully players adjust and play better. The future is exciting for LSU basketball. We need to improve at the FT line but I suspect that will come. LSU is an NCAA team and could make some noise in it.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:45 pm to UpToPar
quote:
When the refs call 50 fouls in a game and put your best player in foul trouble early in the second half on bullshite calls in a two-point loss, blaming the free-throw shooting is completely pointless, and blaming the refs and foul calls are useful.
You can see how there can be more than one contributing factor to a loss can't you?
He is the "I have referee'd before" know-it-all in this thread. He is wrong about this game but clearly a good LSU hoops fan.
This post was edited on 11/12/13 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:45 pm to lwlsu96
quote:
Free throws are undoubtedly why we lost this game.But I'm more pissed about where they said Hickey stepped out
Why would a proper call piss you off more than us leaving 10 points at the line? The travel no-call was more questionable, I'll give you that.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:45 pm to LSUButt
I really hate that I missed the game, but sometimes I have to get some work done. What was LSU's free throw percentage? Did we have a shot to tie at the end, or did we get a garbage 3 with no time left?
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:46 pm to UpToPar
quote:a) changes are coming to defenses. Watch.
You said yourself earlier in the thread that this will bring back the nonexistent mid-range jumper. After watching this game, it seems as though every team should be driving the ball to the basket, initiating contact and getting to the line, thereby eliminating the mid-range jumper all together.
b) There will be much more transition in the game, resulting in the need for a mid-range jumper. There was a drive late in the game when (I think) Stringer was speeding down the court on a 2-on-1 with (I think) Hickey alongside him. Alongside him! No! Bad! These players aren't taught much about transition situations anymore because they've been so much less common in the game recently than when I was a kid. On a 2-on-1, it's best to trail slightly, so if the dribbler is defended well, the trailing player is automatically open for a mid-range jumper 10 feet behind.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:46 pm to ballscaster
quote:
My opinion of their performance is the same as yours.
But...
Missed free throws count.
You thinking the refs sucked doesn't count.
Your opinion isn't the same as mine because you are solely blaming this loss on FT shooting. That's it (whereas I blame it on several things). Per you, we committed 29 fouls and shot terribly, and that's "why we lost." You are conveniently choosing to ignore that JOB couldn't be in the game for most of the second half because of not one, but two calls that were complete bullshite. Had he been in the game, those FTs don't matter as much. And that's the truth.
I mean, how does it (the refs sucking) not count? Like I just said, had they not made bonehead calls on JOB, that second half most likely goes down much differently.
It matters.
I appreciate you trying to focus on more tangible things, but that doesn't mean that the things you choose to ignore don't matter, because they absolutely do.
This post was edited on 11/12/13 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:47 pm to lwlsu96
quote:
But I'm more pissed about where they said Hickey stepped out (close)
His heel definitely looked like it was OOB on the replay.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:47 pm to CocomoLSU
i cant wait to see tony greene call a game 
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:47 pm to burgeman
quote:This. Watch the teams coached by guys like Izzo, K, Smart, Donovan, and Pitino, especially at the beginning of the calendar year. You'll see adjustments from their teams quick, and it'll be a treat to watch.
I see what the ncaa is trying to do, the hand checking slowed the game down. The ncaa is trying to get the flow of the game back.
It is going to be ugly and in some instances it will be overused, such as some calls today. But overall a better product will be seen on the court due to the rule changes.
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