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Our linebacker play.

Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:45 pm
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:45 pm
Not to belabor the point, but I will. If our linebacker play doesn't improve we are going to lose games to great offenses going forward. People look at the stats on Saturday and say Barrow and Welter had great games because of the # of tackles they made. But what they are not looking at is the biggest stat of the night, Auburn averaged 4.1 yds per carry that is with N Marshall's stats in the mix. If you just look at the RB's yds that Mason & Payne averaged 5.3yds per carry, that is a huge issue. Personally I think Mason & Payne are are better backs than people give them credit for, but either way 5.3yds per carry is an ISSUE.

Here are the best comments I have read since the game Saturday that sum up our linebacker play;

"At linebacker, the 32 tackles that D.J. Welter, Lamin Barrow and Kwon Alexander combined for really didn't show how poorly they played. Barrow and Welter are simply too passive at times. They know where to be and they find their gap, but instead of exploding into it and running to the ball they often times just wait for the runner to come to them and catch him. Alexander is the far more active and explosive player, but you can tell that he's still not diagnosing what he sees in front of him that well."

Whether the posi-tigers want to recognize this or not, if our linebacker play "in particular our Mike position" doesn't improve drastically this week in Athens it is going to be a long night for us. It is tough to go on the road in the SEC and win, but it is even tougher when they are a top 10 team and playing in a hostile environment like Athens.

This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 3:56 pm
Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
Member since Apr 2004
17765 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:13 pm to
Sympathy bump.

I agree. But I also haven't been on here the past couple days to see if there have already been a ton of these threads.
Posted by The312
I Live in The Three One Two
Member since Aug 2008
6967 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:19 pm to
I agree entirely. The LB's seem slow and tentative. The key question is why our linebackers are struggling so mightily? Is it a lack of experience, a lack of proper coaching, or do we simply have a talent deficiency?
Posted by LSUMurple
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2011
911 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:43 pm to
Bottom line is that our entire defense just isn't going to carry us this year like they have in the past. If we go far this year, it will be because of our offense.

D is just OK this year. D-line, Linebackers, Corners and Safeties. No defensive unit is getting me excited. However, the Offense is getting me excited and can carry us, if the defense can prevent the big plays.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10698 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:44 pm to
This is a good point that many overlook. Having a lot of tackles, especially when most of them are assists and not solo tackles, don't mean you played well. It often means you helped clean up on a play.

Again, didn't Barrow and Welter have like 2 solo tackles combined? That means that 18 of their 20 tackles were assisted (or 90%). Compare that to Alexander who had 5 solo tackles and 5 assisted tackles.

Fact is Barrow and Welter just aren't that good.

Think about this. Minter and Barrow, our senior starting LBers have combined 9 solo tackles in 4 games. NINE!
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 4:47 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
72003 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:50 pm to
so while the negaturds have bashed Miles and say he only has a job because of chavis, its his unit thst is the worst on the team.
Posted by tiger perry
Member since Dec 2009
25668 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:53 pm to
I expect Georgia to come out right from the start and attack our linebackers...
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
19724 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 5:04 pm to
quote:

Personally I think Mason & Payne are are better backs than people give them credit for, but either way 5.3yds per carry is an ISSUE.


I dont believe average Rantard realizes what Auburn is this year. They are much better than last year.

However what we all need to realize that this is the year of the offense in the SEC. At least 10 teams returned their QB from last year and many skill players. Couple that with new schemes and coaches. Nobody in the SEC has the big bad defenses that LSU and Bama had in 2011 including LSU and Bama... UF has probably the best D in the league this year and fortunately their offense is still suffering.
Posted by fatdaddy
EBR
Member since Dec 2009
59 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 5:05 pm to
f anyone else has a fullback like JC, our linebackers will be fully exposed. It's one thing to use speed to run down a sweep....it's a far different thing to blow up a hole.
Posted by LSUlunatic
Member since Dec 2006
6833 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 5:17 pm to
quote:

they often times just wait for the runner to come to them and catch him.

I've seen alot of this
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
41775 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 5:48 pm to
quote:

Auburn averaged 4.1 yds per carry


When the game was in doubt, in the first quarter, our LBs were stuffing Auburn. When Auburn started running all over us it was primarily because of lazy Dline play. Take the ten yard TD run around Auburn's right side. Lewis Neal started out fine, sealing the edge. When he saw the back head towards the interior he pinched down and lost contain. Then the back broke to the outside, and there was no DE there.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 6:11 pm to
A big issue is MLB. DTs are actually playing well but they can only do so much up the middle. When Welter does hit someone up the middle he gets ran over and allows another 2-3 yards easy while he's hanging on to their ankles. If we don't have better options than him then we're in trouble period. He takes very poor angles too. This is really apparent on outside runs. He takes REALLY BAD angles there and you will immediately recognize it when he's trotting 5 yards behind the RB.

I really don't care what his stats were other night. He stuck out like a sore thumb on the bad plays. He did make a few nice stops though.
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 6:14 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
69876 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 6:22 pm to
TWhis is true, but there is a different style of runners in other offenses, they were gashing us a bit with the read option.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
90869 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 6:32 pm to
I thought that linebacker play, overall, was better in the Auburn game - now the entire defense kind of went passive during Auburn's, sort of, comeback, and give them credit for adjusting.

I thought Barrow, Welter and Alexander all had good games - combined for 32 tackles and held the top 3 spots.

WTF do you people want? The LBers had the top 3 spots in tackles. LOTS of stuffed runs.

We out rushed them and we out passed them. This is despite the fact that we ran 19 fewer offensive plays than they did. The turnovers put the defense in a bad position and they did give up 1 long 94 yard drive.

Other than that, I got no complaints about a overall solid defensive effort that had a couple of rough spots.

Linebackers had their best game as a position group.

(If anything, safety play is more troubling at the moment.)
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 6:33 pm
Posted by LsuTigers80
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
309 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 6:37 pm to
Seth Fruge will be the new starting MLB and win 1st team all SEC.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
27256 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 6:41 pm to
They are light but they need to be strong and agressive. We need Jones out there more, we need Louis out there more, we need Beckwith out there more. This are your bigger, stronger, and just as fast backs. Welter has some decent solo tackles for loss but Mason ran him slap over. Barrow doesn't seem strong enough to get a tackles on his own.

In the secondary we have weak tacklers outside of Micah, Collins, and White. Thing is Eugene is horrible in coverage which is why Miles has switched him back to playing nickel. Loston can't wrap up and only knows to throw his shoulder. We are weaker on defense because we have no power. How many times was Mason and Payne allowed to gain extra yards by carrying our guys? The UAB RB did it too along with the TCU guy. We have to sacrifice at least a little speed to get tougher guys out there.

I also think Hunter should replace Rasco. That would sure up the ends. Freak has been decent, not great and Ego has been really good. We have to get the base alignment right. We have been doing nothing but experimenting and I think we put it together against UGA.
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
27214 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 6:49 pm to
My biggest concern with Welter is that he takes terrible angles. He needs to learn that its better to make play 2 or 3 yards downfield than to miss the play altogether.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13862 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 7:33 am to
To the OP, so youre basically saying we need better D-line play then, not linebacker. You see, linebacker play isnt about penetration. They play 5 yards off the ball for a reason. If the D-line, specifically interior can fill the gaps, then the backs dont have anywhere to run now do they. "Line"backers scrape and fill the remaning holes. It starts up front.
Posted by BIG CAT
louisiana
Member since Jan 2005
3607 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:25 pm to
I agree 100%, I AM A big welker fan,but after watching him he is just to slow are takes really bad paths to the ball. He is always two step behind the ball I really hope he improves.
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 4:17 pm to
Our linebackers are just not that talented. I can't believe people have not figured that out. Closing speed and size is not coaching.

Kwon and minter were both top 4 or higher in the nation at their position. Barrow, welter, jones, Louis, etc. just aren't going to be great lbers. Simple as that.

Beckwith will be a beast though.

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