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Offense still has work to do and thoughts on new offensive coordinator
Posted on 9/3/13 at 3:04 am
Posted on 9/3/13 at 3:04 am
O.K. Everyone is now on the band wagon with our new found offensive coordinator/savior. I think in time we'll see just how good and diverse the offense can be but we're certainly not there yet. I know it's only G1 so I'm optimistic based on what I saw in 1st game against a quality team.
Truth is Mett and ODBJr. and Landry were phenomenal in G1 and you can tell they worked a lot in off season on their timing and routs. Offensive line held up well. Mett was money on 3rd down! That's the good news.
On the negatiger side run up the middle on 1st down was frustrating. No screen passes completed and little use of the tight end(s). Hopefully LSU will work on these things daily and we'll see a more diverse attack as the season progresses.
I'm not sold yet on the offensive execution at this point but the play calling appears to be diverse. At least we tried to run a screen play and we did throw deep a lot and reverse was nice to see. We even tried throwing to tight ends a few times.
Looking forward to G2 Sat. night in Tiger stadium. Hope to see LSU open up the play book and give all the defensive coordinators in the SEC something to really think about as they prepare for our soon-to-be "wide open" offense. Can't wait to see the Tigers roll on offense each and every week. Could be a special season in the making. 30+ points/game should be the norm and if defense can come around we'll be in the hunt per usual. Very impressive G1. Geaux Tigers!
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Truth is Mett and ODBJr. and Landry were phenomenal in G1 and you can tell they worked a lot in off season on their timing and routs. Offensive line held up well. Mett was money on 3rd down! That's the good news.
On the negatiger side run up the middle on 1st down was frustrating. No screen passes completed and little use of the tight end(s). Hopefully LSU will work on these things daily and we'll see a more diverse attack as the season progresses.
I'm not sold yet on the offensive execution at this point but the play calling appears to be diverse. At least we tried to run a screen play and we did throw deep a lot and reverse was nice to see. We even tried throwing to tight ends a few times.
Looking forward to G2 Sat. night in Tiger stadium. Hope to see LSU open up the play book and give all the defensive coordinators in the SEC something to really think about as they prepare for our soon-to-be "wide open" offense. Can't wait to see the Tigers roll on offense each and every week. Could be a special season in the making. 30+ points/game should be the norm and if defense can come around we'll be in the hunt per usual. Very impressive G1. Geaux Tigers!
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Posted on 9/3/13 at 3:27 am to DrD
I don't think Saturday we saw the full version of what Cam wants to accomplish come SEC time. It was still a hell of a lot better than we have grown used to when watching the LSU offense though. I think Cam knew TCU was a skilled opponent and wanted to make sure we didn't beat ourselves with mistakes.
With Mett showing he can make the correct reads and has learned when to scramble, when to throw it away, and when to fire it in I think we will see the full out offensive attack be put into place over these next few games. With our opponents we should be able to afford a few mistakes if we make them, so we should be full throttle.
Hopefully the offense gets rolling and builds tons of confidence heading into the heart of the schedule.
If this is the case I can see some great things happening this season. A NC is going to be tough, but hopefully we can be in the very thick of things for the SEC title.
With Mett showing he can make the correct reads and has learned when to scramble, when to throw it away, and when to fire it in I think we will see the full out offensive attack be put into place over these next few games. With our opponents we should be able to afford a few mistakes if we make them, so we should be full throttle.
Hopefully the offense gets rolling and builds tons of confidence heading into the heart of the schedule.
If this is the case I can see some great things happening this season. A NC is going to be tough, but hopefully we can be in the very thick of things for the SEC title.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 4:09 am to DrD
We threw to the tight ends twice at least. One was in the end zone. They might have been targeted more.
The truth is that TCU was jamming the LOS which put our talented WRs one on one. No reason to throw to TEs. We did the right thing and threw to our WRs. If another opponent starts covering our TEs w/LBs then we'll burn them. TCU had safeties covering our TE.
The truth is that TCU was jamming the LOS which put our talented WRs one on one. No reason to throw to TEs. We did the right thing and threw to our WRs. If another opponent starts covering our TEs w/LBs then we'll burn them. TCU had safeties covering our TE.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 4:39 am to DrD
First and foremost, it's crucial we remember that week one of the season is almost always the ugliest week of football. There was a lot of screw ups on our part that really kept TCU in the game. However, I loved what I saw out of Magee, he just came out of nowhere. Going forward, I look for the timing to be better and hopefully the pass protection holds up because they looked amazing out there.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 4:59 am to Dash Right Germans
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I don't think Saturday we saw the full version of what Cam wants to accomplish come SEC time. It was still a hell of a lot better than we have grown used to when watching the LSU offense though. I think Cam knew TCU was a skilled opponent and wanted to make sure we didn't beat ourselves with mistakes. With Mett showing he can make the correct reads and has learned when to scramble, when to throw it away, and when to fire it in I think we will see the full out offensive attack be put into place over these next few games. With our opponents we should be able to afford a few mistakes if we make them, so we should be full throttle. Hopefully the offense gets rolling and builds tons of confidence heading into the heart of the schedule. If this is the case I can see some great things happening this season. A NC is going to be tough, but hopefully we can be in the very thick of things for the SEC title.
Nice work. The game plan seemed to be: Let Mett open it up but don't gamble the game away to an otherwise solid defense. Mission accomplished. Now, three games to fine tune and add in screens, tight end looks, and maybe a misdirection run or two?
Posted on 9/3/13 at 4:59 am to DrD
The Best Coaching Staff in all of college football takes time to build.
We now have it! I was quite impressed with the talent we had on the field after what we lost last year. Looking forward to winning the SEC this year and making it back to the NC game.![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Iconcheers.gif)
We now have it! I was quite impressed with the talent we had on the field after what we lost last year. Looking forward to winning the SEC this year and making it back to the NC game.
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Posted on 9/3/13 at 5:25 am to DrD
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Truth is Mett and ODBJr. and Landry were phenomenal in G1 and you can tell they worked a lot in off season on their timing and routs. Offensive line held up well. Mett was money on 3rd down! That's the good news.
This was the real difference. Mett is no longer a first year starter, made all the right decisions, had fantastic protection all night, and his receivers are playing in their more natural positions.
There wasn't some huge change in our philosophy.
I posted this yesterday in response to BRAVEHEART, who I can only presume is a die hard Miles hater, but of course, he never responded. I figure it's appropriate for this topic as well.
Great things to come now that we are 100% removed the 08-11 issues at QB:
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Response to BRAVEHEART:
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All the constant denial from that clique of Miles Apologists, Pumpers, Cheerleaders, Buttock Smoochers and Worshippers has proven to be just exactly what most of us always knew. We were running an outdated 1970's Big10 style conservative offense with plays being scripted by Bo Schembechler himself.
In walks Camerban and the offense is like night and day immediately.
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I hate to break it to you and your ilk, but your desperation to validate your idiotic criticism of Miles the past 5 seasons just proves how wrong you've been.
The "outdated 1970's Big 10 style conservative offense" you try to pin on Miles is the EXACT same offense Cam Cameron has made his living on.
You see, what clowns like you will never admit is it's not that Cameron walked in and totally threw out the offense like it was "night and day", but it is that we finally have the personnel to run the same offense in right way, namely a true SEC quarterback.
The offense we saw Saturday night was the EXACT same offense we ran to perfection to dissect Saban and Bama last November, as well as MSU and OM. The only thing different between Saturday and last year was that we now have a monstrous offensive line, the same thing that has made Alabama so difficult to stop the past 5 years, and the added weapons at receiver allowed Jarvis Landry and Odell Beckham to play and thrive in their natural positions.
I started a thread about this inevitable improvement on December 7th of last year, "infamously"
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Of course, Mett also looked like a seasoned veteran instead of the still learning first year starter as well, and that is where Cam's presence will be felt most. While Mett would have improved this year anyway, Cam is a phenomenal teacher of the quarterback position, and Mett's progress is that much more impressive under Cam instead of a good QB mind in his own right in Krag, but nowhere near Cam's ability to mentor a QB. Cam's influence is already being felt, and will only be felt more as Jennings, Rettig, and Harris move through the program with under his tutoring.
Haters like you will refuse to see that the reason Cameron was such a fantastic hire is BECAUSE HE AND MILES' PHILOSOPHIES MESH SO PERFECTLY TOGETHER.
Your claim of "night and day" difference in the offense refers to PRODUCTION, not philosophy, and the production at the end of the year in 2012 was virtually the same as last night, without Cam.
Like I said, Cameron was a HUGE signing, but not because he is cleaning house. It's because he's a great teacher and football mind, and his pedigree of success in the NFL is unmatched by every single coach in college football, including Nick Saban. Yes, he will provide an improvement in play calling, but Miles hasn't called the plays through your blue period of criticism anyway.
Face it, you've been wrong about Miles all along. Crowton destroyed Jarrett Lee in 08, and JJ in 09, and the only thing that kept the program afloat was Miles recognizing that the only strength that this team had left was hunkering down and running the ball to hide our QBs.
That self aware philosophy got us 11 wins in 2010 and an undefeated SEC Championship in 2011 with two QBs that had been stripped away of any potential they had to be great in the SEC. That was not due to Miles' pro style philosophy, but Gary Crowton's stupendous schemes in 08 once he moved away from the pro style foundation laid by Jimbo, which was also a perfect fit with Miles, that was used so well in 2007.
Cameron and Miles are cut from the exact same cloth, and only your pathetic resentment, bitterness and refusal to admit that you were wrong about our coach for 5 years will keep you from admitting that simple fact.
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This post was edited on 9/3/13 at 5:39 am
Posted on 9/3/13 at 6:55 am to DrD
I absolutely hate the tight formations inside the 10 yard line.
Just look around... the teams that score well in red zone offense are those that believe in spreading the defense to create space.
Just look around... the teams that score well in red zone offense are those that believe in spreading the defense to create space.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 7:11 am to xxKylexx
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However, I loved what I saw out of Magee
This is one of the great coaching decisions that Miles will never get credit for - he's been the biggest fan of Magee, at least among the coaches, and he finally got his chance to stand out. Honestly, he would have had 3 or 4 carries had Hill played.
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Posted on 9/3/13 at 7:22 am to Ace Midnight
TigerVoodoo that was spot on. Could not have said it better.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 7:28 am to DrD
Based on what I saw in game 1, the only thing that I saw that needs marked improvement is the catching of nicely thrown long balls. While I'd agree with the statement that "LSU's receivers played lights out", the "drops" are still troublesome. I put "drops" in quotes because most of them weren't the kind where a ball hit a guy in the chest. Rather, many of those "drops" happened because of great defense plays - defensive backs grabbing the receivers arms at just the right time to keep our receivers from making the catch. Still though, I'd like to see our receivers catch those.
My thoughts though are this. It's going to be nice knowing that if we're down late in the game, and the offense is called to win a game, we've apparently got the qb, receivers, and coaches that will allow the offense to do just that - go out and win a game.
My thoughts though are this. It's going to be nice knowing that if we're down late in the game, and the offense is called to win a game, we've apparently got the qb, receivers, and coaches that will allow the offense to do just that - go out and win a game.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 7:45 am to DrD
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Hope to see LSU open up the play book and give all the defensive coordinators in the SEC something to really think about
Prepare to be disappointed until Auburn at best maybe even UGA.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 7:51 am to Tiger Voodoo
quote:It was a ton less conservative than we showed in the first few games last year. We didn't open up the playbook but we used play action early in the game on 1st and 2nd downs. And the running game improvement goes beyond the simple idea that now we have a "monstrous" o-line vs last year.
There wasn't some huge change in our philosophy.
I also saw that we targeted Landry more in the beginning vs. last year where we seemed to feature OBJ early which backfired.
quote:I don't believe that QB's can be scarred for life by bad offensive schemes. The failure of the offense in late 2011 and early 2012 isn't the result of the boogeyman (Crowton).
Crowton destroyed Jarrett Lee in 08, and JJ in 09
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:16 am to DrD
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No screen passes completed and little use of the tight end(s).
I think the 'little use of tight ends' is misleading...Mett did pass to the endzone to a TE.
But you are correct. These are two very big issues that Cam has already stated he wants to be weapons for the O....screen pass execution and effective use of TE's
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:17 am to DrD
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On the negatiger side run up the middle on 1st down was frustrating.
Jesus. I guess every single time LSU ever runs the ball up the middle LSU fans are going to be frustrated.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:18 am to mmcgrath
I agree to an extent, Crowton sucked as a teacher, but the talent at the position also sucked. JJ was the worst QB we had since Marcus Randall, but you never saw Randall pouting like a spoiled child. JL with better coaching may have been more productive. Bottom line Mett is better, Cam is far better than what we have had for the last five years.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:28 am to DrD
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Hope to see LSU open up the play book and give all the defensive coordinators in the SEC something to really think about
When will everyone quit saying this? There are no double super secret plays we save. We will build off what we show, we will continue to put our guys in favorable matchups and they will be successful if we can execute.
Sometimes to build these matchups, you have to run plays that may not work.....as you say up the middle on first down. Etc.
LSU must execute better on 1st and 2nd down, that is all we must do, we cant rely on a spectacular 3rd and long conversion rate to win.
Execution is the coaches responsibility as well as the players.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:28 am to DrD
No toss dive: check
No short side option: check
Mett looked calm in the pocket and was decisive on his reads: check
Offensive line looked good: check
Just need to get the backs and TE's more involved in the passing game and improve pass catching a bit. Travis Dickson should help with that when he returns.
We good. It'll come with time. We have us a contender, Gentlemen.![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Icongeauxtigers.png)
No short side option: check
Mett looked calm in the pocket and was decisive on his reads: check
Offensive line looked good: check
Just need to get the backs and TE's more involved in the passing game and improve pass catching a bit. Travis Dickson should help with that when he returns.
We good. It'll come with time. We have us a contender, Gentlemen.
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Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:29 am to PurpleAndGold86
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I guess every single time LSU ever runs the ball up the middle LSU fans are going to be frustrated.
Of course they will, all the while overlooking 10 yard gashes that are set up later by the same OC and coaches.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:30 am to DrD
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Soon to be "wide open"
Keep dreaming
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