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re: what are the TCU team weaknesses?
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:07 pm to TK421
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:07 pm to TK421
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The coaching comparison is stupid for many reasons, but one reason no one seems to be mentioning is that Les has a clear advantage in coaching a better football school with more resources.
IDK much about TCU, but what are the better resources LSU has? Im curious. I know they are a private school. Not sure on academic restrictions, they already recruit better than most teams in the big 12, they are in a sate with more hs athletes than the whole population of other states, including LA.
The only thing I see would be conference affiliation. But i dont know why they just didnt join a better conference a while back.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:09 pm to dgnx6
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Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:10 pm to TK421
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but one reason no one seems to be mentioning is that Les has a clear advantage in coaching a better football school with more resources.
nope all they want to see is we play harder schools (which is true)
But they want to ignore the convenient truth that there are other differences. Look at what you enter the game with. GP is at a distinct disadvantage vs. LM.
So for a more even comparison (although still a bit in favor of LM from the beginning) look at both of the coaches first year as HC. Both coached their first year in the same conference.
CLM first season as a HC was also in the Big 12. He went 4-7 with 6 losses in the Big 12 conference. He did this with a team that had been a charter member of the Big 12 for 5 years and was previously in the Big 8. His players were recruits that were recruited in the Big 12.
CGP first year as a HC in the Big 12 he went 7-6 with 5 losses in conference. He did that with a team that was new to the conference, with recruits that were recruited in the MWC, and with a team that was gutted by injury and suspension.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:12 pm to dgnx6
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IDK much about TCU, but what are the better resources LSU has?
History, name recognition, facilities, far more money to get the best coaches and trainers. It's really not even close.
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they are in a sate with more hs athletes than the whole population of other states, including LA.
They are in direct competition with Texas, TAM, Tech, OU, OSU, etc...
I'm not saying GP would be a better coach than Les, but I am saying it isn't completely fair to compare their win/losses against top teams. Why has Les had far more success at LSU than he ever had at OSU?
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But i dont know why they just didnt join a better conference a while back.
I'm sure they would have if it had been an option.
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:12 pm to ForeverLSU02
Whatever their weaknesses, coaching isn't one of them.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:15 pm to Bear Is Dead
We have to get pressure on the QB or he can pick you apart if he is in the form he was 2 years ago. I think they come out with a quick strike short passing attack. 2 step drops, dump offs, screens. I don't think early they will do deep drops and force protection.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:16 pm to dgnx6
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they are in a sate with more hs athletes than the whole population of other states, including LA.
You keep posting this.
You do realize TCU is only one of the 5 BCS schools and one of twelve FBS schools inside the same state borders? You do realize that schools outside of TX, like OK, LSU, OKST, Ark, and bama heavily recruit athletes from here?
No other state is that saturated with football programs.
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:18 pm to Bleeding purple
And the fact that LSU is the major program in Louisiana. It's a lot easier to get the recruits you want when you don't have to compete with any other in-state schools.
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:19 pm to Bleeding purple
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GP is at a distinct disadvantage vs. LM.
Just saying Les has an advantage of playing in the SEC doesnt rule out the possibility that he is a better recruiter. You are just starting to assume things based on opinion.
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He went 4-7 with 6 losses in the Big 12 conference. He did this with a team that had been a charter member of the Big 12 for 5 years and was previously in the Big 8.
with a school that hadnt had too much success before
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He did that with a team that was new to the conference, with recruits that were recruited in the MWC, and with a team that was gutted by injury and suspension.
After being in the national spotlight for doing well in a weaker conference. These are not the same and you know it
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:25 pm to TK421
quote:Because OSU was a dog program when Les took it over. They had never won shite and had a culture of losing. He began laying the foundation for what is today the best OSU program in the history of that school. At LSU, the standard and winning culture were in place. He could step in day 1 and expect to compete for championships. And he did just that. Winning the SEC West in his first year (2005) along with 2007 and 2011.
Why has Les had far more success at LSU than he ever had at OSU?
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:27 pm to More beer please
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Just saying Les has an advantage of playing in the SEC
is a fact
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the possibility that he is a better recruiter
is an opinion
I would dare say that a coach who can recruit under valued prospects and have them end up in the NFL is a better recruiter than a coach who can recruit highly desired recruits that then go on to the NFL.
But I put an emphasis on seeing the diamond in the rough when it comes to recruiting. As many have said recruiting in the SEC is simply an arms race and requires different skills.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:34 pm to Bleeding purple
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CLM first season as a HC was also in the Big 12. He went 4-7 with 6 losses in the Big 12 conference. He did this with a team that had been a charter member of the Big 12 for 5 years and was previously in the Big 8. His players were recruits that were recruited in the Big 12.
CGP first year as a HC in the Big 12 he went 7-6 with 5 losses in conference. He did that with a team that was new to the conference, with recruits that were recruited in the MWC, and with a team that was gutted by injury and suspension.
You keep bringing this up like you have a valid point. You're comparing a coach in year 1 at a school to one who was in year 12.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:35 pm to Bleeding purple
quote:I would say our staff takes it's fair share of both. Many of the guys we have had drafted in the top few rounds the last few years were 3* guys coming out of highschool. Minter, Ridley, Riley, Sheppard, Mo C., Hester, Logan were all guys that no one knew anyting about. They were all 3* and were sleepers in their respective recruiting classes.
I would dare say that a coach who can recruit under valued prospects and have them end up in the NFL is a better recruiter than a coach who can recruit highly desired recruits that then go on to the NFL.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:35 pm to skullhawk
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You're comparing a coach in year 1 at a school to one who was in year 12.
One who just started at a program and another who had already had success in that his program before switching conferences.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:37 pm to XbengalTiger
The 90's were particularly bad for OSU. But so were the early 2000's. Not until Gundy had been established for 2 years was there a consistent increase in production from the pokes.
A huge dump of money did not hurt
"Lewis Field was officially renamed Boone Pickens Stadium during a halftime ceremony at the 2003 football game.... Pickens donated $165 million overall to the university, the largest single donation for athletics to an institution of higher education in American history...Pickens' gift helped build the west end zone at Boone Pickens Stadium, a multi-purpose indoor practice complex,... and new outdoor practice fields."
A huge dump of money did not hurt
"Lewis Field was officially renamed Boone Pickens Stadium during a halftime ceremony at the 2003 football game.... Pickens donated $165 million overall to the university, the largest single donation for athletics to an institution of higher education in American history...Pickens' gift helped build the west end zone at Boone Pickens Stadium, a multi-purpose indoor practice complex,... and new outdoor practice fields."
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:43 pm to XbengalTiger
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I would say our staff takes it's fair share of both. Many of the guys we have had drafted in the top few rounds the last few years were 3* guys coming out of highschool. Minter, Ridley, Riley, Sheppard, Mo C., Hester, Logan were all guys that no one knew anyting about. They were all 3* and were sleepers in their respective recruiting classes.
Based on rivals.com
Minter 4*
Ridley 4*
Riley 3*
Shepard 5*
Claiborne 3*
Hester 2*
Logan 3*
I agree with about half of your statement but Minter, Ridley, and Shepard weren't recruits that nobody knew anything about.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:47 pm to HornyForLife
quote:=/=
Shepard
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Sheppard
thanks for trying though
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:50 pm to skullhawk
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quote:
Shepard
=/=
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Sheppard
thanks for trying though
When I see LSU and Sheppard I first think that somebody mispelled Russell Shepard.
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:51 pm to skullhawk
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You're comparing a coach in year 1 at a school to one who was in year 12.
Well we are comparing two coaches here. Neither has had the same exact experiences. Neither has had the same tools at their disposal.
Of those two how many have taken a team to another conference?
I am using as much data as possible to do a comparison. I can tell you that it is a hell of a lot better than the blanket statement ....that GP is bad coach because he had a tough season in his first year in the Big 12 in exclusion of any other variables.
How dense are some of you?
FWIW LM had been at OSU as the OC previous to his HC job
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:52 pm to HornyForLife
Yall do realize that TCU until very recently was excited to get a 3* recruit.
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