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re: NBA Age Limit
Posted on 7/7/13 at 4:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/7/13 at 4:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
and for the sake of this thread i went back to 1999 and listed all the 1st rounders from high school. only a few guys either didn't get a 2nd contract or had to go a strange road for one (green, webster)
1999:
5: Jon Bender: not a bust
29: Leon Smith: bust (but b/c he was fricking psycho)
2000:
3. Darius Miles: not a bust
23. DeShawn Stevenson: not a bust
2001:
1. Kwame Brown: not a bust
2. Tyson Chandler: not a bust
4. Eddie Curry: not a bust
8. Desagna Diop: not a bust
2002:
9. Amare: not a bust
2003:
1. Lebron James: not a bust
23. Travis Outlaw: not a bust
26. Ndudi Ebi: total bust
27. Kendrick Perkins: not a bust
2004:
1. Dwight Howard: not a bust
4. Shaun Livingston: bust
12. Robert Swift: bust
13. Sebastian Telfair: not a bust
15. Al Jefferson: not a bust
17. Josh Smith: not a bust
18. JR Smith: not a bust
19. Dorrell Wright: not a bust
2005:
6. Martell Webster: bust
10. Andrew Bynum: not a bust
18. Gerald Green: bust
1999:
5: Jon Bender: not a bust
29: Leon Smith: bust (but b/c he was fricking psycho)
2000:
3. Darius Miles: not a bust
23. DeShawn Stevenson: not a bust
2001:
1. Kwame Brown: not a bust
2. Tyson Chandler: not a bust
4. Eddie Curry: not a bust
8. Desagna Diop: not a bust
2002:
9. Amare: not a bust
2003:
1. Lebron James: not a bust
23. Travis Outlaw: not a bust
26. Ndudi Ebi: total bust
27. Kendrick Perkins: not a bust
2004:
1. Dwight Howard: not a bust
4. Shaun Livingston: bust
12. Robert Swift: bust
13. Sebastian Telfair: not a bust
15. Al Jefferson: not a bust
17. Josh Smith: not a bust
18. JR Smith: not a bust
19. Dorrell Wright: not a bust
2005:
6. Martell Webster: bust
10. Andrew Bynum: not a bust
18. Gerald Green: bust
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Posted on 7/7/13 at 4:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:debatable
1. Lebron James: not a bust
Posted on 7/7/13 at 4:40 pm to GatorsGators
yeah for lebron and amare i almost put some sarcasm, but i tried to keep it real
AND YES I KNOW guys like brown are a "bust" relative to draft position, but even college guys picked #1 are no guarantee to live up to that draft position. plus, injuries/mental issues derailed a good number of the busts.
AND YES I KNOW guys like brown are a "bust" relative to draft position, but even college guys picked #1 are no guarantee to live up to that draft position. plus, injuries/mental issues derailed a good number of the busts.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 4:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
Not to get this off topic, but how is Webster a bust?
Damn phone....
Damn phone....
This post was edited on 7/7/13 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 7/7/13 at 4:46 pm to ATLTiger
i actually went back and forth on him. i had him in the "had to go a strange road for a 2nd contract" group
Posted on 7/7/13 at 4:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm going to reserve this spot in the thread...got other shite to do right now.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 4:51 pm to RonBurgundy
the only HS player drafted in the 1st round since 1999, who wasn't either batshit crazy or injured, that isn't playing in the NBA today is ebi
This post was edited on 7/7/13 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 7/7/13 at 5:29 pm to mikelowery1911
What's the age limit in hockey? In baseball?
Posted on 7/7/13 at 5:32 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
No but is a gauge of how much you can come in and change the course of a franchise on day one.
Its clearly a terrible gauge of that
In what way???
Rookie all stars since 1979
Bird
Magic
Bill Cartwright
Isiah
Tripucka
Sampson
Jordan
Olajuwon
Ewing
Robinson
Mutombo
Shaq
Grant Hill
Duncan
Ming
Griffin
I think its a pretty good list of players who came in and immediately turned their team around. Players who entered the league with elite NBA level games. Except for the omition of LeBron of course. Magic and Isiah are the only players the list, to my knowledge, that stayed less than three years in school(two)
Posted on 7/7/13 at 5:37 pm to mikelowery1911
i think melting the argument down to "rookie all-stars" is kind of an outlier, ineffective label
in the end, i'm sure minny was happy with KG even though it took him a few years
in the end, i'm sure minny was happy with KG even though it took him a few years
Posted on 7/7/13 at 5:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
I watch far more NBA than I do college basketball, but would possibly watch more college ball if it weren't for the one and done shite and AAU corruption that makes a joke out of it.
I don't have a problem lowering the age to 18 to go to the NBA. If the kid is good enough or if a team is dumb enough to take the risk, fine. But if a kid signs a scholarship for college ball(a fricking contract), he's committed and/or cannot go to the NBA for at least two years.
The NBA, imo, would be better if there were a way to delay those kids who aren't really ready. Even if they make it long term, most are not much of a contributor for a couple of years. Maybe make better use of the D league.
I don't have a problem lowering the age to 18 to go to the NBA. If the kid is good enough or if a team is dumb enough to take the risk, fine. But if a kid signs a scholarship for college ball(a fricking contract), he's committed and/or cannot go to the NBA for at least two years.
The NBA, imo, would be better if there were a way to delay those kids who aren't really ready. Even if they make it long term, most are not much of a contributor for a couple of years. Maybe make better use of the D league.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 5:41 pm to VOR
quote:
I watch far more NBA than I do college basketball, but would possibly watch more college ball if my favorite team were any good
Posted on 7/7/13 at 5:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
the only HS player drafted in the 1st round since 1999, who wasn't either batshit crazy or injured, that isn't playing in the NBA today is ebi
I am not as worried about the high school busts. My focus is on the overall health of the NBA. Quality of play and players.
The players are able to develop basketball and leadership skills in college which contributes to a better overall game.
Three years of college greatly contributes to the
name recognition players develop with the casual fan. Grant Hill, Laettner, Hurley, Battier, Curry, Shaq, Larry Johnson, Robinson, The Fab 5 had more name recognition coming out of college than the past two rookies of the year do now after two years in the league!
Posted on 7/7/13 at 5:45 pm to mikelowery1911
quote:
2. Players enter the league with a more mature game.
From college? Lol.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 5:50 pm to mikelowery1911
quote:
My focus is on the overall health of the NBA. Quality of play and players.
you're arguing that NOW? after THAT season/playoffs we just had? the NBA is at a really high level right now
quote:
The players are able to develop basketball and leadership skills in college which contributes to a better overall game.
NBA is better for developing NBA skills, sir
i'm so happy, as a pels fan, that davis only had 1 year of college to frick his game up
quote:
Three years of college greatly contributes to the
name recognition players develop with the casual fan.
this is the main reason the NBA adopted the 1-year rule, and it's worked wonders
Posted on 7/7/13 at 5:52 pm to c on z
You don't think that playing in college for a few seasons generally improves a player's skills?
Posted on 7/7/13 at 5:53 pm to GatorsGators
quote:
You don't think that playing in college for a few seasons generally improves a player's skills?
not as much as that time in the NBA would develop skills
the NBA has no 20-hour limit, has much better coaches, and has coaches/trainers available more often
Posted on 7/7/13 at 5:55 pm to GatorsGators
quote:
You don't think that playing in college for a few seasons generally improves a player's skills?
Posted on 7/7/13 at 5:58 pm to MrWiseGuy
I'm sorry that for most of my life my favorite college team has actually had a competent coaching staff.
This post was edited on 7/7/13 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 7/7/13 at 5:59 pm to MrWiseGuy
also, let's not forget how college can frick up tweeners. a KG or Josh Smith would not have become the NBA players they peaked at if they had gone to college. i shudder to think what kind of a mess chandler would have come out as. probably hilton armstrong
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