re: Ryno in? Rivers out?

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The guy has athleticism

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Not really.

32.5 inch vert is average or below

He posted an 11.54 agility time at the combine last year. By comparison 7'0, 247 pound Tyler Zeller posted an 11.3.

But hey, his 3.32 sprint time did best Miles Plumlee's 3.36.

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shown a great attitude and work ethic.

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He does work hard. Or at least talks about working hard all the time.

He's a good kid. But he's probably long for Euro ball.

He's a below average shooter. He's not explosive and his main ability is getting to the rim. That usually isn't a great combo.

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Again, NO ONE can predict based upon a 19 year old kid's first season in the league.

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No one is. You are overreacting. People that dislike Rivers are looking at his subpar college career, subpar athletic abilities AND then looking at his awful rookie year and saying "yeah, that makes sense."

It was a bad pick that was basically made because our peeps are tight with his pops.

ETA: My point is that everyone who "doesn't believe" in Rivers isn't just reacting to a bad rookie season. There's a lot of reasons to believe he won't be any good in the NBA.

Subpar college career? Meh. On par with a lot of 1 and done guards.

And his athletic measurables are almost identical to Damian Lilliard. That's not going to dictate his success in the league. His shooting ability is the problem.

All this Rivers having the worst season ever crap is a load of meaningless number crunching bullshite. Really? His season was worse than some of the shite that passed for basketball perpetrated by the DJ Mbengas and Yinka Dares of the NBA?

Obviously he had a rough rookie season, but he had a 27 point high game as a 19 year old rookie ( I was at the game, csb I know). That's damn impressive, and if he can do that as a young rookie, I know he has the potential to deliver more consistently with some more seasoning

Color me shocked, danman went full retard

He isn't a good shooter. But has a great Bball iq and surely can adapt his game to be successful in the league. Whether it be finishing at the rim better, pass better, play relentless D etc.

Jason Kidd is going to the Hall and was a terrible shooter the majority of his career. Rondo gets by scoring in the paint and passing. Not that Rivers will be close to the player those guys are but he can certainly carve a niche.

If he was our first pick in the draft, I'd be panicking. But he went 10th and was lagniappe after we got AD. Looking back, not many guys who were picked after him fared any better. Sure I'd love to have a moe Harkless but at the same time you could have a fab Melo or Royce white.

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If he was our first pick in the draft, I'd be panicking. But he went 10th and was lagniappe after we got AD. Looking back, not many guys who were picked after him fared any better. Sure I'd love to have a moe Harkless but at the same time you could have a fab Melo or Royce white.

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that's the one thing i keep pointing to. very few who went in the 10 slots after him have done shite. maybe 1 or 2 were a bit better off.

plus, nobody saw him having as bad of a season as he had. he warranted the lottery pick by his freshman year performance at Duke. it's not like Dell reached with that pick.

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He lead Duke in scoring as a freshman

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I mean, he scored 15.5 points a game. Not exactly lighting the world on fire.

And he had 400+ FGAs...

Regardless, he doesn't really do anything particularly well, IMO. He's thought of as "crafty" with his ability to get to the rim, but are there really that many non-explosive guys that get to the rim with regularity in the NBA?

Especially ones that can't shoot?

He's an unwilling passer.

I'm just not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel for the kid. He doesn't do anything well enough to really be a success or to give me hope that he will be a success.

He may have been trying to over compensate, but at Duke he pretty much swallowed the basketball.

The dude made ONE big shot in college.

1.

And now you're ready to crown him? Fact is he came out too early, wasn't ready for the pro game, and can't go into the lane without throwing the ball above his head in an attempt to get fouled, and then he gets injured.

His shooting form is terrible. His shot selection isn't the best. And he's already lost his cockiness that is one of the main reasons they pulled the trigger on him last year.

Is he a bust yet? Not necessarily, but does he have all the makings of one? Certainly. You don't get dubbed with absolute worst player (not rookie) in advanced metric stats by just having an "off year." The dude was Barkley turrrrrbbbblllleee.