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re: Dividend stocks and DRIPs as a long term investment vehicle

Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:50 am to
Posted by ThaBigFella
baton rouge
Member since Apr 2006
2043 posts
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:50 am to
Volvagia you're young,you clearly know it all, you're not seeing the big picture bc you truly don't have the assets to where it would even matter.I'd assume your total portfolio is well under $50k at this point Let me put it another way, your relative works his whole life, he dies, he leaves you XLP ETF worth $2M you first off won't be taxed on the gains so you can liquidate at that point.

You have 2 choices, observe XLP and its top 10 holding which make up 60% of the fund and decide to buy those on your own OR you continue holding and paying $3,600/year and rising as your base grows

over 10 years you pay $36,000 at least, yes a miniscule .18% of that $2M to be informed on how to buy consumer staples you could have bought on your own, there's a list of the ETF's holdings!

you are truly missing the point im trying to make, that ETF's are nice, but if you can do your own research, even 30 minutes a day is 3.5/hrs a week of research you will be ahead of the game and you can save alot of money in the long run

ETF's were created to make money off the ignorance of the many, sorry, that's just the truth. The take your regular joe who knows nothing about the markets, can't read a balance sheet, and understands nothing about dividend history,payout ratios and growth and wow them with all kinds of statistics and returns, etc all while collecting that tiny fee over and over on billions of dollars

I choose to do it on my own, i wont share my insights anymore then.Being able to stand on your own is a basic premise of life at all levels, if you can't stand on your own with your investments you need to think twice about diving in.
This post was edited on 6/24/13 at 9:51 am
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
17107 posts
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:52 am to
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i wont share my insights anymore then


Noooooooooo
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51915 posts
Posted on 6/24/13 at 10:05 am to
:facepalm:

So from one ad homimem to another. Before it was a professional attack, now it's one of age. With a tinge of arrogance that because of my youth my views are dismissable due to a lack of experience.

I don't presume to know it all. I have made a dedicated effort to learn more about finances in the past few years and have deferred to the wisdom of multiple posters here when they corrected me and backed it up.

But some of your statements aren't even supported by the basic statistical information that YOU brought up.

Yes, I'm aware of how math works.

A small percentage applied to a big number can also result in a big number.

I get your point.

You are missing mine:

What do you do over time as the fund's composition changes due to new up and comers? As some holdings are diminished and new ones emerge.

And how do you avoid paying even more in commissions during those rebalances?


One does need to pay close attention to fees and loads. It's why I like Vanguard with almost a zealot fervor.

But they are not inherently an anathema to a good portfolio.

There are some good low cost but still actively managed funds that more than offset the feed incurred.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
9282 posts
Posted on 6/24/13 at 10:57 am to
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ETF's were created to make money off the ignorance of the many, sorry, that's just the truth. The take your regular joe who knows nothing about the markets, can't read a balance sheet, and understands nothing about dividend history,payout ratios and growth and wow them with all kinds of statistics and returns, etc all while collecting that tiny fee over and over on billions of dollars



I am not a financial advisor. The ETF statement is just a broad, overreaching statement of nonsense. ETFs provide a tax efficient way for people with large amounts of assets in taxable holdings to reduce current taxation by limiting capital gains as the ETFs greatly reduce or eliminates CGs due to the structure of the ETF and creation units. This is not hard to understand, and to that point they are extremely similar to individual stocks tax impact. You speak to reading balance sheets, etc and I strongly question that someone with zero financial experience is capable of understanding the financial statements of a multi-national conglomerate or having any knowledge of non-US financial reporting. You also have never indicated that the income statement and quality of earnings can be the most important part of due diligence. I am not throwing you under the bus, but you are greatly exaggerating/underreporting the processes and risks some may not pick up. So if someone wanted to invest in international small caps they should buy individual stocks and eschew the diversification and reduction of idiosyncratic risk through the use of an ETF like VSS, etc which offers a wide range of developed/emerging small caps at a very low cost? That would not begin to make sense given the high level of risk involved in the sector.

Most will never inherit life changing amounts of assets and need to learn how to manage their money early and with caution, and progress into other investing endeavors after gaining experience and taking some lumps. DRIPs into large cap companies may not be the worst thing they could do, but it's not necessarily the best. There are people on here that struggle with the concept of tax advantaged accounts and how best to utilize them which has little to do with "picking" stocks, do you think they really are capable of analyzing individual securities?

I am not opposed 100% to what you do, but trying to illustrate your take on some posters on here is offbase with regards to experience and capabilities. Still very surprised you have done this for years without researching more tax efficient investing methodology as your life seems to have changed rather dramatically and what had little drag on your taxes 2-yrs ago could be vastly changed to your detriment over the next 5-20 years.
This post was edited on 6/24/13 at 10:58 am
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