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re: Anonymous Xbox engineer explains DRM and Microsoft's Xbox One intentions
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:36 am to Broke
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:36 am to Broke
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At that point all of the resellers are bankrupt
Amazon will still be here as will Walmart and you being a finance guy you know that there will always be someone to fill holes in a market whether it's an established company or someone new.
Xbox will not be able to tell EA, Activision, etc who can and can not retail their games even if it's in a digital format.
They aren't the Kim Jong Un of the gaming industry.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 8:37 am
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:37 am to LewDawg
We might eventually see that Sony just took advantage of short-sighted gamers to grab an early jump on the console launch. If this truly is the way of the future, they'll have no choice but to adapt to it as well.
There is a middle ground to what both of them are doing, and that's where we'll end up.
There is a middle ground to what both of them are doing, and that's where we'll end up.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:38 am to sbr2
So just a week. That's much better. Every 24 hours seems a bit paranoid by MS, unless they realize that's how long it takes most gamers to beat a game these days.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:44 am to stout
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Amazon will still be here as will Walmart and you being a finance guy you know that there will always be someone to fill holes in a market whether it's an established company or someone new.
But if Xbox doesn't provide the platform, then these retailers have nowhere to go. It's Microsoft's move and everybody else holds their breath to see what happens. Microsoft could easily put them out of business if that's what they want to do.
Or they could drive everybody towards Playstation.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:47 am to sicboy
quote:But, Sony already has digital media infrastructure in Gaikai and they already sell digital only versions of games. I don't know how this is such a bad or evil thing.
We might eventually see that Sony just took advantage of short-sighted gamers to grab an early jump on the console launch. If this truly is the way of the future, they'll have no choice but to adapt to it as well.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 8:48 am
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:49 am to Broke
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But if Xbox doesn't provide the platform, then these retailers have nowhere to go
Again you are assuming that MS will be able to tell other Fortune 500 companies what they can and can't do with their products. No way MS tells them they can't let Amazon sell a digital key.
The engineer even says that they have thought about the retailers in this scenerio.
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If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now?
There would be too much of a backlash for Xbox to cut retail competition out 100% and it would drive everyone to PS4 and PC.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:51 am to The Sad Banana
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I don't know how this is such a bad or evil thing.
Because as long as they still allow used games on their system publishers still lose money and are less motivated to lower initial pricing or even lower pricing at all.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 8:52 am
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:52 am to stout
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>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.
Well it looks like the MS engineer just sold me on PS4.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:53 am to hiltacular
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Well it looks like the MS engineer just sold me on PS4.
I think that also means if you care about your wallet or the industry as a whole moving forward so...
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:57 am to stout
lol i actually am gettin both I just found it interesting that a MS engineer suggested buying a ps4 if you care about gaming
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:01 am to hiltacular
Posted this in the other thread. Didn't even see this one so I didn't read it all.
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I feel like a Hodor who just started reading GoT. Just read the whole thread. Very good read, and very enlightening. I'd say before reading that I was firmly believeing in the current system. I'll be getting both consoles but the ps4 first bc that's where my buddies will be. As someone said earlier, it's very forward thinking and does make a lot of sense. I'm all for cheaper games at release. I was turned off by microsofts approach but after reading that it makes perfect sense. I'd like to see more incentives to the digital games at launch. Maybe a 10% discount to encourage it over the physical disc as a way of easing people into it and the more and more they go that route we can start to see the benefit of the people who make the games get the money mor often, thus driving down the price of games in the future. I know I know I'm restating what's been said but if more people were educated we could start to see some benefits.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:03 am to hiltacular
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suggested buying a ps4 if you care about nothing else BUT gaming
Fixed.
Again, the shortsighted.
Even though I'm leaning towards PS4, what they did was made it simple for gamers to understand......just play our games, and the herd flocked. MS is trying to progress things, but have done a piss poor job at explaining it to everyone.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:08 am to LE610N
I am on board with what MS is trying to do in the gaming community bc nothing they are doing really impacts me. I don't ever mess with used games, my internet is good and always running, etc. It just doesn't impact me.
With that said, their reasoning behind the decisions is a little flaky. I'm not sure why you "need" to check in every 24 hrs and I'm not sure I buy their motives behind DRM. I also recognize you are paying $100 more for kinect and voice recognition.
With that said, their reasoning behind the decisions is a little flaky. I'm not sure why you "need" to check in every 24 hrs and I'm not sure I buy their motives behind DRM. I also recognize you are paying $100 more for kinect and voice recognition.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:09 am to stout
How I see it is Sony is covering both bases saying we're not in the completely digital mode yet, and while we aren't there yet we're also not going to restrict you. But, when we do get there, we have the resources in place to adapt.
Microsoft is saying let's jump across the Grand Canyon. Hold my hand?
Microsoft is saying let's jump across the Grand Canyon. Hold my hand?
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:13 am to The Sad Banana
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Microsoft is saying let's jump across the Grand Canyon. Hold my hand?
MS is saying we will get there first but to do that we have to do this.
The importance of getting there first (cheap game steam model) could be a deciding factor later in this gens life cyle of what system people are using. No way you can get there first without limiting used games in some way.
It's not a sprint for MS right now to just whore out hardware and they are OK with that.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:16 am to stout
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Again you are assuming that MS will be able to tell other Fortune 500 companies what they can and can't do with their products. No way MS tells them they can't let Amazon sell a digital key.
I've got to assume that since it's played on a Microsoft console, that somehow they can dictate this. It's not a PC.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:17 am to stout
Sony walked in to a frat house and screamed "BEER AND TITTIES" and won the show.............
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:18 am to Broke
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I've got to assume that since it's played on a Microsoft console, that somehow they can dictate this. It's not a PC.
Their main motivation is that they also do not make money off of used games. They only make money off of first time sales since they collect a licensing fee for every new copy that is used on their system.
Everyone in this scenario makes more mony except for the trade in shops but they aren't out 100% because MS is still accounting for them.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:19 am to JAE20
quote:But I won't add the camera thing.
The Ps4 and Xbox one with actually cost a little closer to the same if you just add in the ps4 camera thing.
quote:All stuff that I don't care about or want.
As for moving with the kinect you do not have to move to play all your games or navigate, it allows it to be easier. Hand motions to move screens, and talking to the kinect to get things done. Sounds good to me.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:21 am to stout
So I'm late to the party on this (tl;dr), but I think the most important question to answer about this mimicked steam model is 'if it's just like steam, why should I buy a console?'
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