re: Can Vasquez improve enough?

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watch this and tell me Vasquez looks like that. Tell me he passes like that. Tell me he scores like that. He can't . I can't believe people are comparing Vasquez to an all time great. Quit staring at the stat sheet for just a little bit and use the eye test

Sweet Jesus.

Nash in Dallas was about 17 and 8- with excellting shooting %s. A two time All-Star at the helm of a very good offense. He was clearly better than Vasquez and very good, but not particularly great. He was basically the new Mark Price.

He doesnt become a Hall of Fame player until he goes to D'Antoni's system in PHX for a contract that many questioned at the time. If you predicted in the summer of 2004 that Nash, at age 30, would win 2 MVP awards, help revolutionize the league, and become an all time PG, then you are very smart or very dumb.

Like I said previously, Vasquez can't shoot or get where he wants to anywhere close to the way Nash could, but he's proven me wrong before. While not expecting him to improve, at this point it wouldn't surprise me if he did get better.

And that doesn't mean that he becomes even an All-Star or that the Pels shouldn't look to upgrade the position either.

I never said Vasquez would beoome Nash. I just used him as a comparison of a player that became a starter and improved later in his career. No one knows what Vasquez's ceiling is, he could get better. He can definately become more efficient and play smarter..

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I'm beginning to think they feel okay at the guard position for the upcoming season and will focus on SF or C.

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Well they should. The 3 is inept at best. Vasquez us serviceable. Aminu was atrocious as an offensive option. . IMO, Gordon will be so much better if he's next to a legit scorer at the SF position. Lopez is adequate but you never know what Lopez we're gonna get from night to night.

Of course it's no secret all three need an upgrade (see our record). I wish the free agent market had more depth than it does. We're not gonna fill immediate needs thru the draft. We just have to hope Dell can at least get us one or two pieces thru a trade.

I can't wait the draft and free agency to commence so we can pick apart every move they make.

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shite, man.

Said it twice, Vasquez is not and will not be anywhere near as good as Nash was. The point is no one thought Nash would be as good as he was even nearly a decade into his career.

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I really wasn't directing that comment to anyone specifically.

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I disagree with your list of upgrades. I still think backcourt speed/athleticism is at the top of their shopping list along with a sf

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Maybe so. But I just don't know that Burke is the answer long term, so I suppose it would be throught FA/trade. I guess I think this team would be soooo much better with a significantly better SF. Solid perimeter defense with 16-18 pts per game.

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But I just don't know that Burke is the answer long term

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I agree with that. A Utah trade would make some sense. I wouldn't mind 2 of these 5 for picks 14 and 21: MCW, Karasev, Saric, Pope, Deng.

I think Shabazz might be the guy if they stay at 6. He seems to be the most ready to contribute early out of the guys we talk about in the lottery.

But I freely admit that I dont know shite about the draft

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But I kinda put the blame on Monty for this (go figure, right? Me criticizing Monty). Monty's last game plays were so predictable. But maybe that falls on vasquez's capabilities, or lack thereof.

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honestly, i think some of it might. just because your first open isn't open, doesn't mean you can't find someone else to pass to. make a couple extra passes if time allows and find the guy you want eventually. but, yes, monty's play calling late in games was suspect at best sometimes.

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Nash and Vasquez in the same sentence. I've seen it all on the PT!

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I don't know why everybody is so adverse with just going and looking at Nash's stats. He became a regular starter his 3rd season (got hurt though) and averaged 8/5.5. He was a part-time starter his 4th season and then was given the reigns his 5th. He wasn't a star ready to happen. The guy worked his arse off and seized an oppurtunity.

There is no doubt Nash persevered. But he was dealt a shitty hand playing behind veteran guards and also by injuries. He showed flashes throughout his early years (there's a reason Nellie kept him around). You could tell he was a player his 3rd year in the league when he got a chance to start. He was all over sportcenter

You are acting like he all of a sudden developed this awesome game, when in reality all he needed was consistent playing time and the right system in place. He was always a great, efficient shooter (3p especially) and passer. You don't just will your way to 50/40/90 percentages.

I watch Vasquez and I see a maxed out guy. He may be able to score a bit more or add to his counting totala but that certainly won't be a good thing to whichever team he is on. He is what he is and that's fine