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Posted on 5/2/13 at 6:07 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Did you say that intentionally?
I said that intentionally. I do not like Abrams' work. I do not like the 2009 so-called "Star Trek" film. Abrams did not make the film for fans of the original series, by design. He is a Star Wars fan and has no interest in pursuing the mature, adult world of Star Trek, but instead chooses to tell stories much the same way his friend Michael Bay does.
I looked for Star Trek in the 2009 film, but did not find it. The wonderful news is that - now he's at the helm of Star Wars, too, I don't have to worry about either one of those franchises going forward, not that he could do much damage to Star Wars that hasn't already been done by its creator.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 6:37 pm to Ace Midnight
GMAFB.
I'll put my TOS bona fides up against anyone and I loved the 2009 ST.
It completely captured the essence of all the main characters at the start of their Star Fleet careers. Was there more action and less philosophical naval-gazing? Yes. But that is not a bad thing.
I'll put my TOS bona fides up against anyone and I loved the 2009 ST.
It completely captured the essence of all the main characters at the start of their Star Fleet careers. Was there more action and less philosophical naval-gazing? Yes. But that is not a bad thing.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 6:45 pm to Ace Midnight
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I looked for Star Trek in the 2009 film, but did not find it. The wonderful news is that - now he's at the helm of Star Wars, too, I don't have to worry about either one of those franchises going forward, not that he could do much damage to Star Wars that hasn't already been done by its creator.
This post was edited on 5/2/13 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 5/2/13 at 7:01 pm to udtiger
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It completely captured the essence of all the main characters
Yeah - Kirk was a dysfunctional, underachieving a$$hole.
Spock having an inappropriate relationship with a subordinate - a cadet at that.
Scotty being inept enough to get caught in a tube like Augustus Gloop in Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory.
Essence completely captured all right.
But, it's beyond that. The whole movie was just classic set-piece Hollywood schlock.
Car chase scene? Check.
Freefall? Check.
None of it made any real sense and there was no purpose to it.
Combine that with a 100% unlikeable Chris Pine as Kirk and one of the worst villains in SciFi history - the movie wasn't even enjoyable schlock for me.
I admit that I was kind of in a state of shock as to how wrong everything was, so I might have missed some of the 2009 movie's positive points.
Spock looked and sounded right. The opening space combat scene with Thor was good. The kid playing McCoy seemed to care.
The rest of it? Meh. And I've admitted, repeatedly on this board, that I'm in the minority, even among TOS fans. However, there is nothing remaining, that I can see, anyway, of the chemistry, the relationship, the f*cking purpose of Star Trek. This is just the Star Trek brand polished up for the ADHD 21st century viewing audience.
This post was edited on 5/2/13 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 5/2/13 at 8:48 pm to Ace Midnight
I hope they blow stuff up in space
Posted on 5/2/13 at 9:43 pm to Ace Midnight
Ya know it was made like every film for ENTERTAINMENT right dip shite? And judging by the theater's totally packed out opening night 4 years ago, Id say it was a damn near smash hit with most everyone. And considering only a handful of people I know including myself went to see the previous Trek films, and how virtually everyone I know went opening night (I still have that $452 movie ticket stub/receipt!), and everyone who saw it in 2009 are going yet again in 2 weeks...we will enjoy it for entertaining us. Im not expecting something like HEAT, but as long as Im entertained, Im good even if people like you are not.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 9:45 pm to tidehillcrest
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And judging by the theater's totally packed out opening night 4 years ago, Id say it was a damn near smash hit with most everyone.
Everybody saw Titanic and Avatar, too. Meh.
It just kills ya'll that I don't like Abrams' take on Star Trek, doesn't it?
This post was edited on 5/4/13 at 6:55 am
Posted on 5/2/13 at 9:47 pm to tidehillcrest
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$452 movie ticket stub/receipt
Posted on 5/2/13 at 9:52 pm to tidehillcrest
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And considering only a handful of people I know including myself went to see the previous Trek films, and how virtually everyone I know went opening night
You do realize how ridiculous you sound right? Are you 20 years old?
The first 4 Star Trek films were 9 figure (or nearly so) films, worldwide gross, in the late 70s to mid 80s. While not mega-blockbusters - ~$500 million on $100 million production budget (both figures combined for the 4 films) is a damned sight better return than the $140 million abortion of a film in 2009, returning only $385 million, worldwide - I guess they made their money off the Blu-ray/DVD sales.
This post was edited on 5/2/13 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 5/2/13 at 10:06 pm to Ace Midnight
Idk dick about Star Trek and not sure what people are even arguing about in this thread, but I loved the first one and got my midnight tickets for Thursday booked for the sequel.
#BartScott
#BartScott
Posted on 5/2/13 at 11:37 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Idk dick about Star Trek and not sure what people are even arguing about in this thread, but I loved the first one
Congratulations - you're Abrams' target market.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 11:38 pm to Ace Midnight
the last two Star Trek movies bombed.
I'm fine with books and Tv being for the nerds, and the Movies appealing to a larger audience.
I'm fine with books and Tv being for the nerds, and the Movies appealing to a larger audience.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 11:40 pm to Tactical1
I'm excited to see this movie and iron man 3 this may.
I love both star trek and star wars.
I love both star trek and star wars.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 11:48 pm to Ace Midnight
God damn you are bitter about Star Trek.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 11:50 pm to sbr2
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God damn you are bitter about Star Trek.
Not bitter. Just supremely unimpressed and ultimately disappointed.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 11:53 pm to Ace Midnight
This is by far the best cinematic release of Star Trek that I've had in my lifetime. I wasn't around for any of the original cast movies so all I got were crappy "extended episode" TNG movies. While I loved the more recent shows they did not translate into great movies like this has.
Posted on 5/3/13 at 12:03 am to sbr2
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This is by far the best cinematic release of Star Trek that I've had in my lifetime.
So, again, you're under 27?
The "trilogy" - Khan, Search for Spock and The Voyage Home was a great package of movies and was, truly, Star Trek, as that is defined. Yeah, TVH was a little weak with a literal "Save The Whales" theme, but something had to get them back in time. When a product is that good, you overlook minor, trifling details - keep in mind they pulled off that movie without a villain - at all.
I assume you're at least familiar with TOS as a series? Do me a favor, go back and watch:
Balance of Terror
Squire of Gothos
The Naked Time
Amok Time
Journey To Babel
Devil in the Dark
City on the Edge of Forever
Spectre of the Gun
THEN, try to imagine Abrams and the current crew telling anything like the stories in those episodes.
Hell, I'll put Balance of Terror and City on the Edge of Forever up against any 2 hours of SciFi you want to present.
The problem I have isn't that kind of quality can't be done - the powers that be won't even try to present the values and ideals of the Star Trek universe.
Whedon could have done it. Hell, Nimoy could probably have given them a good start as director of a reboot - although it would have seemed weird for him to direct a Spock that was not him.
Instead, Abrams went with all cliche, all "origin of the phrase" and reducing the characters to one-note jokes and functioning, mainly to participate in elaborately staged action scenes.
It may be entertaining for you youngsters, but it isn't Star Trek.
This post was edited on 5/3/13 at 12:04 am
Posted on 5/3/13 at 12:07 am to OMLandshark
If it does suck blame your boy Lindelof
Posted on 5/3/13 at 12:15 am to Ace Midnight
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So, again, you're under 27?
Outlined this in the post you quoted.
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It may be entertaining for you youngsters, but it isn't Star Trek.
Well it is now. Abrams didn't have the luxury of a cast that had worked on a ST show, I'm willing to cut some slack in the hopes that there may be more character development since we can't fall back on the show.
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