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re: OB: An old friend of mines manslaughter trial starts today

Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:23 pm to
Posted by hypnos
Member since Dec 2009
2227 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:23 pm to
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I remembered this thread from a few days ago and just saw on my news feed that your friend has been aquitted of all charges. Sad that it had to go this far, congrats to him.



Really happy to see this.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30868 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:05 pm to
quote:

But, all of this is contingent on the perp being armed. If there is no gun, knife, club, bat, baton, etc. and he or she is running away, I think letting them flee is the best option.


That's what I meant
Posted by delta3504
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
1848 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:07 pm to
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He should sue the police to collect all the cash it took to clear his name.


I agree that the not guilty is right. However, how do you sue after a grand jury indicted him? The grand jury is the one that determined the manslaughter charges, not the police.
Posted by rattlebucket
SELA
Member since Feb 2009
11555 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:47 pm to
Because the grand jury doesnt even happen without police charging him??
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:52 pm to
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Hours after they were married, her ex showed
True Thug POS, Rest in Hell.

Can't believe the DA accepted the charges. Sounds like some corrupt shite there.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28726 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:18 pm to
Does he have any legal recourse?

I'm guessing none?
Posted by braindeadboxer
Utopia
Member since Nov 2011
8742 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:32 pm to
quote:

Does he have any legal recourse? I'm guessing none?


I'm sure it hasn't crossed his mind. Tonight is his first night with his wife and family since their wedding night that he isn't thinking about how he may go a long time without being with them... Money can't compare to that peace of mind.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28726 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:46 pm to
No doubt.


Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:15 pm to
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Does he have any legal recourse?

I'm guessing none?

There's almost always legal recourse. The only question is whether it is likely to succeed and worth the time and resources to pursue.

Does seem like a pretty extreme case.
Posted by SpicyStacy
stout's fave
Member since Aug 2010
13343 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:16 pm to
pauve bette.. DN, glad youre buddy is free!!


as for shooting someone in the back, let them no good sumbitches break into my house, shootin em in the back is the last thing they needa worry about. Ill unload on them and blow their asses to pieces
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
47820 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:25 pm to
quote:

Stories like this are why I do not have a CCL and may never get one.
Say what?
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28726 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:26 pm to
Hey tell your hubby not to buy you that under dash holster.
It won't stay tight.
Posted by SpicyStacy
stout's fave
Member since Aug 2010
13343 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:28 pm to
quote:

Hey tell your hubby not to buy you that under dash holster. It won't stay tight.






I keep dropping "hints" that I want it, but he hasn't "surprised" me yet
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28726 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:32 pm to
It was good at first, and I still use it, but I'm gonna have to modify it to keep it snug up to,the dash.
Posted by SpicyStacy
stout's fave
Member since Aug 2010
13343 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 12:27 am to
Does it fall out? I was kinda worried bout that n shooting myself in the foot
Posted by delta3504
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
1848 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 4:56 am to
quote:

Because the grand jury doesnt even happen without police charging him??


Grand juries can happen without an arrest. It happens, but that frequently.
Posted by bossflossjr
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
12262 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 6:40 am to
quote:

But, all of this is contingent on the perp being armed. If there is no gun, knife, club, bat, baton, etc. and he or she is running away, I think letting them flee is the best option.


Correct.

Arent u teach a CCP class now? I wondered if this was a suggested teaching. An armed man walking away is different than an unarmed man running away.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28726 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 11:29 am to
Nah. It just loosens up so the holster isn't snug to the dash. The gun stays in OK.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11925 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 12:05 pm to
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Arent u teach a CCP class now? I wondered if this was a suggested teaching. An armed man walking away is different than an unarmed man running away.


I turned in my stuff to LSP and am waiting to get clearance.

I don't know the exact nomenclature of the law in LA, but I do know we have the Castle Doctrine, the Reasonable Man Law, and the Stand Your Ground Law, which are all designed to defend law-abiding citizens if deadly force is needed.

But once I get clearance, I will get a list of laws from LSP that I will need to go over in my course. I'll have a more clear-cut answer once I get that material.

But my own personal opinion, if a threat has been established, you do your best to end that confrontation as quick as possible. If the threat is armed, I think all of the cards are on the table and you must do what you need to do to defend yourself and your family. If the perp is unarmed and is not directly trying to harm you, you go with your gut and do what you think is right. And personally, if the perp is unarmed and runs away from me, I have successfully defended my home - the threat is over. Period.

So that would be what I advocate...
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 10:51 pm to
Here's a few:

Civil Immunity for Self Defense

LSA-R.S. 9:2800.19

West's Louisiana Statutes Annotated Currentness
Louisiana Revised Statutes
Title 9. Civil Code Ancillaries
Code Book III. Of the Different Modes of Acquiring the Ownership of Things
Code Title V. Of Quasi Contracts, and of Offenses and Quasi Offenses
Chapter 2. Of Offenses and Quasi Offenses (Refs & Annos)
§ 2800.19. Limitation of liability for use of force in defense of certain crimes

A. A person who uses reasonable and apparently necessary or deadly force or violence for the purpose of preventing a forcible offense against the person or his property in accordance with R.S. 14:19 or 20 is immune from civil action for the use of reasonable and apparently necessary or deadly force or violence.

B. The court shall award reasonable attorney fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses to the defendant in any civil action if the court finds that the defendant is immune from suit in accordance with Subsection A of this Section.

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Added by Acts 2006, No. 786, § 1.

SELF DEFENSE

LSA-R.S. 14:19

West's Louisiana Statutes Annotated Currentness
Louisiana Revised Statutes
Title 14. Criminal Law
Chapter 1. Criminal Code (Refs & Annos)
Part I. General Provisions
Subpart C. Culpability
§ 19. Use of force or violence in defense

A. The use of force or violence upon the person of another is justifiable when committed for the purpose of preventing a forcible offense against the person or a forcible offense or trespass against property in a person's lawful possession, provided that the force or violence used must be reasonable and apparently necessary to prevent such offense, and that this Section shall not apply where the force or violence results in a homicide.

B. For the purposes of this Section, there shall be a presumption that a person lawfully inside a dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle held a reasonable belief that the use of force or violence was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto, or to compel an unlawful intruder to leave the premises or motor vehicle, if both of the following occur:

(1) The person against whom the force or violence was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.

(2) The person who used force or violence knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred.

C. A person who is not engaged in unlawful activity and who is in a place where he or she has a right to be shall have no duty to retreat before using force or violence as provided for in this Section and may stand his or her ground and meet force with force.

D. No finder of fact shall be permitted to consider the possibility of retreat as a factor in determining whether or not the person who used force or violence in defense of his person or property had a reasonable belief that force or violence was reasonable and apparently necessary to prevent a forcible offense or to prevent the unlawful entry.

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Amended by Acts 2006, No. 141, § 1.

Justifiable homicide

LSA-R.S. 14:20

West's Louisiana Statutes Annotated Currentness
Louisiana Revised Statutes
Title 14. Criminal Law
Chapter 1. Criminal Code (Refs & Annos)
Part I. General Provisions
Subpart C. Culpability
LSA-R.S. 14:20. Justifiable homicide

A. A homicide is justifiable:

(1) When committed in self-defense by one who reasonably believes that he is in imminent danger of losing his life or receiving great bodily harm and that the killing is necessary to save himself from that danger.

(2) When committed for the purpose of preventing a violent or forcible felony involving danger to life or of great bodily harm by one who reasonably believes that such an offense is about to be committed and that such action is necessary for its prevention. The circumstances must be sufficient to excite the fear of a reasonable person that there would be serious danger to his own life or person if he attempted to prevent the felony without the killing.

(3) When committed against a person whom one reasonably believes to be likely to use any unlawful force against a person present in a dwelling or a place of business, or when committed against a person whom one reasonably believes is attempting to use any unlawful force against a person present in a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40), while committing or attempting to commit a burglary or robbery of such dwelling, business, or motor vehicle.


(4)(a) When committed by a person lawfully inside a dwelling, a place of business, or a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40), against a person who is attempting to make an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, or who has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, and the person committing the homicide reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the entry or to compel the intruder to leave the premises or motor vehicle.

(b) The provisions of this Paragraph shall not apply when the person committing the homicide is engaged, at the time of the homicide, in the acquisition of, the distribution of, or possession of, with intent to distribute a controlled dangerous substance in violation of the provisions of the Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law.

B. For the purposes of this Section, there shall be a presumption that a person lawfully inside a dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle held a reasonable belief that the use of deadly force was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto, or to compel an unlawful intruder to leave the premises or motor vehicle, if both of the following occur:

(1) The person against whom deadly force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.

(2) The person who used deadly force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred.

C. A person who is not engaged in unlawful activity and who is in a place where he or she has a right to be shall have no duty to retreat before using deadly force as provided for in this Section, and may stand his or her ground and meet force with force.

D. No finder of fact shall be permitted to consider the possibility of retreat as a factor in determining whether or not the person who used deadly force had a reasonable belief that deadly force was reasonable and apparently necessary to prevent a violent or forcible felony involving life or great bodily harm or to prevent the unlawful entry.


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Amended by Acts 1976, No. 655, § 1; Acts 1977, No. 392, § 1; Acts 1983, No. 234, § 1; Acts 1993, No. 516, § 1; Acts 1997, No. 1378, § 1; Acts 2003, No. 660, § 1; Acts 2006, No. 141, § 1.

Factors to consider in determining whether a defendant had a reasonable belief that the killing was necessary, for purposes of claim of self-defense, are the excitement and confusion of the situation, the possibility of using force or violence short of killing, and the defendant's knowledge of the assailant's bad character. State v. Mincey, App. 3 Cir.2009, 2008-1315 (La.App. 3 Cir. 6/3/09), 2009 WL 1531570. Homicide 795
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