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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:13 am to UltimateHog
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:13 am to UltimateHog
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So they've went from Kaby Lake having serious heating issues with overclocking at all, to a 20-40% power draw increase over Broadwell for the equiv CPU, with even worse heat issues that AIO coolers can't handle 4.6GHz OC's or higher to now having motherboards with serious VRM issues.
Post the link but I believe you.
Going that high requires pretty nice voltages on a package that large. You also can't compare AMD's offerings when they are nearly hardware locked at 4.0-4.1GHZ. You get to certain points where OC'ing PAST a certain point requires a huge voltage push. A lot of DR involved.
But I do agree, X299 is a disaster. Not really the chipset but the platform as a whole. The CPU situation is retarded.
Have you seen the leaked VEGA benchmarks? Sort of disappointed if true. A GTX 1080 is beating it. I do think this is not the flagship, I hope and pray.
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:24 am to UltimateHog
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This is made even worse by the fact that this is only at 4.6GHz at 1.2V
This really does not make any sense.
1.2V is nothing and has nothing to do with the platform but vendors trying to cheap out, or maybe something else? WTF is this.
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So they've went from Kaby Lake having serious heating issues with overclocking at all, to a 20-40% power draw increase over Broadwell for the equiv CPU
Some of that is because the memory controller needing a higher clock, the package needs to be higher clocked as a whole to keep up with faster RAM speeds. Can't really compare Broadwell and Sky/Kaby Lake on power draw.
Edt: Sorry just reading most of your post. Was driving earlier.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 9:26 am
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:27 am to LSU Coyote
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:28 am to LSU Coyote
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Have you seen the leaked VEGA benchmarks? Sort of disappointed if true. A GTX 1080 is beating it. I do think this is not the flagship, I hope and pray.
Haven't seen those, been following the Frontier Edition benchmarks and it's beating the 1080 across the board with the Pro drivers.
I'm actually very encouraged.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:31 am to UltimateHog
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Haven't seen those, been following the Frontier Edition benchmarks and it's beating the 1080 across the board with the Pro drivers. I'm actually very encouraged.
That it is just beating the 1080?
Don't we want it to beat Big Pascal not Little Pascal? I know I do.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:33 am to LSU Coyote
I don't think so, it's always supposed to have been between the 1080 and 1080ti in performance for half the cost. That's the point. 
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:40 am to UltimateHog
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I don't think so, it's always supposed to have been between the 1080 and 1080ti in performance for half the cost. That's the point.
But the gap between 1080 and 1080 Ti actually is pretty large. They are in different categories.
But the price of the VEGA rumors isn't that great compared to price/performance of 1080 Tis correct? IDK really, from the little I have seen it isn't. The card won't be $499-$599 right? It will be a $700 card, so at that point just get a 1080 Ti, no?
VEGA seems to disappoint a little but man Ryzen is really looking good. I'm about to buy a Ryzen 5 once an iTX board I like comes out. Looking at a Gigabyte one right now.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:41 am to LSU Coyote
Nah the rumored price is $499 and from the get go it was expected to be within 10% of the 1080ti. I'll jump for joy.
Both of those appear accurate.
Both of those appear accurate.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 11:43 am
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:43 am to UltimateHog
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Nah the rumored price is $499 and from the get go it was expected to be within 10% of the 1080ti. I'll jump for joy.
Oh awesome! That is good.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:50 am to LSU Coyote
Yep I will be very happy with that.
Of course the $499 could be the lowest end one as there is supposed to 3 versions again that could range from 499 549 and 599. But that could also be false or related to the air cooler versions versus the water cooler ones as well. Unknown.
I'll go with the water cooled version again, been very happy with it.
Of course the $499 could be the lowest end one as there is supposed to 3 versions again that could range from 499 549 and 599. But that could also be false or related to the air cooler versions versus the water cooler ones as well. Unknown.
I'll go with the water cooled version again, been very happy with it.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 11:54 am
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:54 am to UltimateHog
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Of course the $499 could be the lowest end one as there is supposed to 3 versions again that could range from 499 549 and 599. But that could also be false or related to the air cooler versions versus the water cooler ones as well. Unknown.
Yea true but still.
The only bad part, AMD took too damn long. We are about to have Volta within 5-8months.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:57 am to LSU Coyote
Yeah early next year, AMD will stick to their summer schedule, albeit a few months earlier as shouldn't be HBM delays anymore.
Navi will be fun times.
Navi will be fun times.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:03 pm to UltimateHog
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Yeah early next year, AMD will stick to their summer schedule, albeit a few months earlier as shouldn't be HBM delays anymore.
Yeah lets hope its not on a 2yr cycle again. Man that hurt the market.
I was buying my 980 Tis around that launch. I'm currently 9 months into another generation with TITAN X Pascals.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:07 pm to LSU Coyote
Yeah but you have to understand you're at the far far extreme side of things.
I'm still very happy with my Fury X which is a 980ti.
I'll never do what you do I don't play enough on PC and not demanding enough to warrant that. I want a CPU and single GPU to last me 2 years or so and both must be cost effective and at or near the top of price/performance.
The average 80% of consumers have under $300 GPUs. Just kind of how it is.
I still get the majority of my games on PS4 and prefer it. Realistically I play 2-3 PC games regularly and they're only on PC and that's it.
I'm still very happy with my Fury X which is a 980ti.
I'll never do what you do I don't play enough on PC and not demanding enough to warrant that. I want a CPU and single GPU to last me 2 years or so and both must be cost effective and at or near the top of price/performance.
The average 80% of consumers have under $300 GPUs. Just kind of how it is.
I still get the majority of my games on PS4 and prefer it. Realistically I play 2-3 PC games regularly and they're only on PC and that's it.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:23 pm to UltimateHog
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I'll never do what you do I don't play enough on PC and not demanding enough to warrant that. I want a CPU and single GPU to last me 2 years or so and both must be cost effective and at or near the top of price/performance.
Really you can get by with CPUs at 4yrs. Hell if it wasn't for motherboards which die, ppl could probably still use Sandy Bridges.
Edt: Sanday Bridges are 2011 actaully. So 6yrs
What a fckking leap. I purchased a 21.5" iMac at that time and returned within 1 week. Wasn't aware of the Sandy Bridge refresh when purchasing. The good thing is, got a GPU bump also. It was a must to return/exchange for the newer model. Good luck I was within Apple's window.
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I still get the majority of my games on PS4 and prefer it. Realistically I play 2-3 PC games regularly and they're only on PC and that's it.
Actually don't play many games anymore. Finished 1 game since last summer in Dishonored 2. My Switch got the most use by far in the last 2yrs. Most of time is spent doing other things or working, which is very disappointing.
But I like to upgrade just as a hobby really. It is fun.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:42 pm to LSU Coyote
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Really you can get by with CPUs at 4yrs. Hell if it wasn't for motherboards which die, ppl could probably still use Sandy Bridges.
Yep I may keep 7700K for 2-3 more we'll see if Coffee Lake provides a legit IPC jump or not. If so I'll probably upgrade.
iMac? Gross. It is cool they got first dibbs on Vega for their new ones even if it does lead to shortages. I'm sure it was worth it for AMD.
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Actually don't play many games anymore. Finished 1 game since last summer in Dishonored 2. My Switch got the most use by far in the last 2yrs. Most of time is spent doing other things or working, which is very disappointing.
Yeah that's pretty much me. H1Z1 and a little PUBG outside of my usual MOBAs and that's it for me.
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But I like to upgrade just as a hobby really. It is fun.
I can tell...buying a 1K CPU for shits and gigs.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:48 pm to UltimateHog
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Yep I may keep 7700K for 2-3 more we'll see if Coffee Lake provides a legit IPC jump or not. If so I'll probably upgrade.
Yea no doubt you should. Only reason I upgraded from my 4930K was motherboard issues.
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Mac? Gross. It is cool they got first dibbs on Vega for their new ones even if it does lead to shortages. I'm sure it was worth it for AMD.
Macs are alright. I don't own any now, but back then they made the best laptops and always wanted an iMac.
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buying a 1K CPU for shits and gigs.
No I need the PCIe lanes and I hate this Broadwell. It clocks like shtt. I'm limited to 4.3 ATM.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:55 pm to LSU Coyote
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No I need the PCIe lanes and I hate this Broadwell. It clocks like shtt. I'm limited to 4.3 ATM.
Yeah seems like the i9's sweet spot is 4.6 and the gold chips 4.8, decent improvement if that holds true for the 10 core+.
What do you really need more lanes for though? You going to 3 GPU's? I didn't think you were limited at all right now or are you planning to alter your build that will require more down the road?
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:08 pm to UltimateHog
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Yeah seems like the i9's sweet spot is 4.6 and the gold chips 4.8, decent improvement if that holds true for the 10 core+.
My 4930K hit 4.6 new and stayed at 4.5 for years until its last year, was only stable around 4.4
This fckking Broadwell.. garbage. I have to put my memory below 2666 to hit 4.3-4.4, what was the point of 3000 Dominators then? Terrible memory controller.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:09 pm to UltimateHog
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What do you really need more lanes for though? You going to 3 GPU's? I didn't think you were limited at all right now or are you planning to alter your build that will require more down the road?
2xGPUs is 32. They don't offer anything over 28. Then you count x4 for M.2 drives. I have 2 right now, that is x8.
Edt: Yes x16/x16 vs x8/x8 does have huge DR. But in the future it might not, its starting to show right now with 4K benchmarks.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 1:11 pm
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