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Is it possible that Batman is gay?
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:15 pm
So I was reading the Batman wiki page for the hell of it, and ran across a section about homosexual interpretations. I have never heard this before, and never has it crossed my mind. Here's some excerpts:
and the part that really cracks me up:
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Controversy has arisen over various sexual interpretations made regarding the content of Batman comics in the early decades. Homosexual interpretations have been part of the academic study of Batman since psychologist Fredric Wertham asserted in his Seduction of the Innocent in 1954 that "Batman stories are psychologically homosexual." He claimed, "The Batman type of story may stimulate children to homosexual fantasies, of the nature of which they may be unconscious." Wertham wrote, "Only someone ignorant of the fundamentals of psychiatry and of the psychopathology of sex can fail to realize a subtle atmosphere of homoeroticism which pervades the adventures of the mature 'Batman' and his young friend 'Robin.'"
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While Frank Miller has described the relationship between Batman and the Joker as a "homophobic nightmare,"[148] he views the character as sublimating his sexual urges into crimefighting, concluding, "He'd be much healthier if he were gay."[149] Burt Ward, who portrayed Robin in the 1960s television show, has also remarked upon this interpretation in his autobiography Boy Wonder: My Life in Tights; he writes that the relationship could be interpreted as a sexual one, with the show's double entendres and lavish camp also possibly offering ambiguous interpretation.
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Will Brooker argues in Batman Unmasked: Analyzing a Cultural Icon,[154] that a queer reading of Batman is a valid interpretation, and that homosexual readers would naturally find themselves drawn to the lifestyle depicted within, whether the character of Bruce Wayne himself is explicitly homosexual or not. He also identifies a homophobic element to the vigour with which mainstream fandom rejects the possibility of a homosexual reading of the character. In the April 2012 issue of Playboy, long time Batman writer Grant Morrison said that "Gayness is built into Batman. I’m not using gay in the pejorative sense, but Batman is very, very gay. There’s just no denying it. Obviously as a fictional character he’s intended to be heterosexual, but the basis of the whole concept is utterly gay. I think that’s why people like it. All these women fancy him and they all wear fetish clothes and jump around rooftops to get to him. He doesn’t care—he’s more interested in hanging out with the old guy and the kid.”[155] Building on this, a Comics Alliance opinion piece titled The Gayness of Batman discussed the question of homosexual readings of the character, citing his relationship with the flamboyant Joker as "a monstrous distortion of the conflict between the closet and the scene."
and the part that really cracks me up:
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Creators associated with the character have expressed their own opinions. Writer Alan Grant has stated, "The Batman I wrote for 13 years isn't gay. Denny O'Neil's Batman, Marv Wolfman's Batman, everybody's Batman all the way back to Bob Kane... none of them wrote him as a gay character. Only Joel Schumacher might have had an opposing view."
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:18 pm to Jon Ham
They can spin anything into being gay
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:44 pm to Jon Ham
Umm... What? I really don't get it. Because he is an anonymous superhero he is in the closet? Most superheroes' identities are secret. Because he isn't shown getting with a chick? It's a child friendly comic. I really don't get the joker thing. Is he supposed to be a transvestite? Maybe I just never knew Batman like I thought that I did. That comic scene above is pretty gay though.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:46 pm to Jon Ham
Don't know about Batman being gay.
But I'm pretty sure Fredric Wertham was a major quack that had it out for the comic book industry and saw sexual imagary in everything.
But I'm pretty sure Fredric Wertham was a major quack that had it out for the comic book industry and saw sexual imagary in everything.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:49 pm to Jon Ham
I pictured Robin as more of a child figure. I think this is reaching
Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:02 pm to Jon Ham
The whole Batman Robbin relationship was always just silly. Like "Oh man it'd totally be funny if they were gay lovers" But that was just a joke
Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:06 pm to Jon Ham
All of that research was completely made up. LINK /
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Although there have been persistent concerns about the clinical evidence Wertham used as the basis for Seduction, his sources were made widely available only in 2010. This paper documents specific examples of how Wertham manipulated, overstated, compromised, and fabricated evidence—especially that evidence he attributed to personal clinical research with young people—for rhetorical gain.
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For example, in “Seduction,” Wertham links “Batman” comic books to the case of a 13-year-old boy on probation and receiving counseling for sexual abuse of another boy: “Like many other homo-erotically inclined children, he was a special devotee of Batman: ‘Sometimes I read them over and over again. … It could be that Batman did something with Robin like I did with the younger boy.’ ”
What Tilley found in Wertham’s notes, however, was that the boy preferred “Superman,” “Crime Does Not Pay” and “war comics” over “Batman,” and that he had previously been sexually assaulted by the other boy – all information that Wertham left out.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:15 pm to Jon Ham
based on the most recent movies F no.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:53 pm to Jon Ham
Frederic Wertham published Seduction of the Innocent in 1954. It was at best a reaction to McCarthyism and its like and at worst low-grade, fear induced, pop psychology. As well as stating the Homoerotic tendencies of Batman, it took Wonder Woman to task for bondage, submission, and sexual perversion(not that WW's creator William Moulton Marston was psycho-sexually pure).
The Seduction of the Innocent can basically be viewed in context to its age of nascence. Where psychology and psychiatry is today is literally and figuratively years beyond where it was then. It was an academic approach to dealing with fear and trying to explain it. It was a suspicion of youth culture as comes every generation. They dug much deeper than they needed to. Comics were meant to inspire and entertain. End of epilogue.
The Seduction of the Innocent can basically be viewed in context to its age of nascence. Where psychology and psychiatry is today is literally and figuratively years beyond where it was then. It was an academic approach to dealing with fear and trying to explain it. It was a suspicion of youth culture as comes every generation. They dug much deeper than they needed to. Comics were meant to inspire and entertain. End of epilogue.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:27 pm to Jon Ham
It's a comic book. Of course it's gay. jk jk
Posted on 2/18/13 at 10:50 am to Jon Ham
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Is it possible that Batman is gay?
Gays certainly hope so. Anything that normalizes the gay lifestyle is a win.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 3:26 pm to Jon Ham
first Dumbledore, now this shite?
Posted on 2/18/13 at 9:16 pm to Jon Ham
is it possible that a fictional superhero is gay? Sure. He's fictional.
If they want him to be able to talk to horses or be a reformed pedophile all they have to do is write it down on paper. This is a strange thread.
If they want him to be able to talk to horses or be a reformed pedophile all they have to do is write it down on paper. This is a strange thread.
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