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re: Black ex-coaches say NFL's Rooney Rule is broken
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:12 pm to John McClane
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:12 pm to John McClane
Serious question. Why is this issue not more pronounced among NBA and MLB coaching ranks?
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Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:13 pm to REG861
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And that does prevent outsider candidates from getting a fair shot.
recent "outsider" candidates (either by age or NFL experience)
josh mcdaniels
eric mangini
rahim morris
lane kiffin
jim harbaugh
pete carroll
doug marrone
greg schiano
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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recently young "up and comers" have been the hot names. this includes underqualified young black head coaches too (rahim fricking morris)
they're all outside of the "network" and are the opposite of familiar
Snappy retort. If you don't think potentially successful, but low profile, black coaches are at a disadvantage in the interview and hiring process, I really don't know what to tell you. Other than you're not living in the real world.
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:15 pm to Y.A. Tittle
You know if a GM hired a black HC and actually came out and said he made the hire based on the fact that he wanted a black HC, Tony Dungy would be perfectly fine with it.
But if a GM announced he hired a white coach because he was white, Dungy would kill him along with Rev and Jesse
But if a GM announced he hired a white coach because he was white, Dungy would kill him along with Rev and Jesse
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
McDaniels- former coordinator for the Patriots
Lane Kiffin- born into NFL royalty, would hardly call him an outsider
Pete Carroll- former NFL coach
Harbaugh- former well-known NFL quarterback, not an outsider
I'll give you Schiano.
Lane Kiffin- born into NFL royalty, would hardly call him an outsider
Pete Carroll- former NFL coach
Harbaugh- former well-known NFL quarterback, not an outsider
I'll give you Schiano.
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:18 pm to Marciano1
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You know if a GM hired a black HC and actually came out and said he made the hire based on the fact that he wanted a black HC,
I would love one owner to say this.
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:18 pm to VOR
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Snappy retort. If you don't think potentially successful, but low profile, black coaches are at a disadvantage in the interview and hiring process, I really don't know what to tell you. Other than you're not living in the real world.
That's a nice collection of words that make not a single cogent point.
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:19 pm to VOR
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If you don't think potentially successful, but low profile, black coaches are at a disadvantage in the interview and hiring process, I really don't know what to tell you
how so? they're a HOT commodity
i mean shite there have been some terrible retread black HCs in the past 10 years. herm edwards and crennel are big ones
lovie smith WILL be one. tony dungy would be one if he wanted to go back to coaching.
i believe there was ONE retread hire this offseason (andy reid). they hired a CFL coach (trestman) and 2 college coaches (marrone, kelly)
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:19 pm to VOR
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If you don't think potentially successful, but low profile, black coaches are at a disadvantage in the interview and hiring process,
This is the only place where I feel they are at a disadvantage. So I don't necessarily have a problem with the NFL promoting the idea of teams interviewing minority candidates. I just think it's bullshite for Dungy to say the Rooney Rule is broken because two long time, venerable black coaches weren't rehired immediately after getting dismissed
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:21 pm to REG861
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McDaniels- former coordinator for the Patriots
and had almost no experience and was one of the youngest HCs in NFL history. where did he get in the "network"?
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Lane Kiffin- born into NFL royalty, would hardly call him an outsider
with his long history in the NFL and all...
he was the lesser of co-OCs of a fricking CFB team
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Pete Carroll- former NFL coach
almost a decade prior to his hiring
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Harbaugh- former well-known NFL quarterback, not an outsider
he had quite the accomplished NFL coaching career, right?
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:21 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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That's a nice collection of words that make not a single cogent point.
Hey, shadow, what's up? If you can read, it's pretty clear that I think that relatively unknown but talented black coaches are at a disadvantage in the selection process when compared to their white counterparts. Rooney rule doesn't really do shite, by the way.
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:24 pm to REG861
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This is the only place where I feel they are at a disadvantage. So I don't necessarily have a problem with the NFL promoting the idea of teams interviewing minority candidates.
We agree.
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I just think it's bullshite for Dungy to say the Rooney Rule is broken because two long time, venerable black coaches weren't rehired immediately after getting dismissed
We agree there, as well. However, it is interesting that Lovie was not hired. I'm not saying it's racist. I just think it's a little surprising.
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:24 pm to VOR
How are they at a disadvantage? I'm serious.
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:25 pm to VOR
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it's pretty clear that I think that relatively unknown but talented black coaches are at a disadvantage in the selection process when compared to their white counterparts.
a. i will argue that there are no "relatively unknown" coaches in the NFL
b. what does race have to do with it? if i'm wrong above and there are unknown NFL coaches, why would black guys be the only ones in that position?
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Rooney rule doesn't really do shite, by the way.
except keep art shell somewhat relevant
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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McDaniels- former coordinator for the Patriots
and had almost no experience and was one of the youngest HCs in NFL history. where did he get in the "network"?
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Lane Kiffin- born into NFL royalty, would hardly call him an outsider
with his long history in the NFL and all...
he was the lesser of co-OCs of a fricking CFB team
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Pete Carroll- former NFL coach
almost a decade prior to his hiring
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Harbaugh- former well-known NFL quarterback, not an outsider
he had quite the accomplished NFL coaching career, right?
If you don't think the Patriots, the Kiffin family , former head coaches, and former star quarterbacks aren't part of 'the network,' you don't have a clue. How many coordinators under Bill Belichick have been in hot demand? Who gives a shite how old they are, McDaniels was next in line. Those weren't bold coaching picks, they were part of the establishment
Not that I'm necessarily complaining. These are the places teams look first for new coaches, other than from within their own staff. It's hard to break in
This post was edited on 1/31/13 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:25 pm to shel311
Do I need to look up great head coaches that have been turned down for a job? I'm sure there are more than a few white coaches that have been turned down.
I know this issue is bullshite because black people also claim there aren't enough black baseball players. What racist white people are keeping black people from playing baseball? This shite is so stupid.
I know this issue is bullshite because black people also claim there aren't enough black baseball players. What racist white people are keeping black people from playing baseball? This shite is so stupid.
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:26 pm to VOR
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However, it is interesting that Lovie was not hired. I'm not saying it's racist. I just think it's a little surprising.
of all the NFL guys who got HC jobs
Arians: offense
Bradley: defense
Chudzinski: offense
Reid: offense
McCoy: offense
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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or perhaps we're tired of being told
Yep. That's it. No doubt.
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a bias that doesn't exist
Please. It doesn't have to be conscious.
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people like dungy
I don't give a shite about dungy.
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:26 pm to Y.A. Tittle
If I were an owner I would interview a non black minority to fulfill my quota just to spite the nfl. The rules was made for minorites not just blacks
Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:29 pm to REG861
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If you don't think the Patriots, the Kiffin family , former head coaches, and former star quarterbacks aren't part of 'the network,' you don't have a clue.
what is this "network" ?
you think monte was parading around his grown son in the offseason or something?
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How many coordinators under Bill Belichick have been in hot demand?
success on the field does that. that's my point exactly. it has nothing to do with being in some "network"
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Who gives a shite how old they are
i'd assume it takes time to build your way up the social network of the NFL?
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Those weren't bold coaching picks, they were part of the establishment
McDaniels and Kiffin were VERY bold picks, especially Kiffin. Kiffin wasn't even the OC...of a college team
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