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How many of you are really bothered by NC or bust mentality?
Posted on 1/16/13 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 1/16/13 at 7:36 pm
In professional sports it is normal to consider a season a failure unless you win the ultimate prize such as a Championship.
Yet when LSU fails and people have this mentality people start claiming how horrible they must be. LSU is one of probably 10-15 Teams that yearly has a legit shot at a National Title and if you look at polls over past 10-15 seasons you see really all the teams that won started in Top 15 (Think Auburn and LSU 03 are only two that did not) so why shouldn't fans feel a bit slighted when they fail to win a NC? (Although there is an extreme cases BOTH ways on this and we've seen both sides on the Rant)
Yet when LSU fails and people have this mentality people start claiming how horrible they must be. LSU is one of probably 10-15 Teams that yearly has a legit shot at a National Title and if you look at polls over past 10-15 seasons you see really all the teams that won started in Top 15 (Think Auburn and LSU 03 are only two that did not) so why shouldn't fans feel a bit slighted when they fail to win a NC? (Although there is an extreme cases BOTH ways on this and we've seen both sides on the Rant)
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Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all time thing. You don't win once in a while, you don't do things right once in a while, you do them right all the time. Winning is habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
Vince Lombardi
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If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
Vince Lombardi
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Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.
Vince Lombardi
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A champion is afraid of losing. Everyone else is afraid of winning.
Billie Jean King
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The person that said winning isn't everything, never won anything.
Mia Hamm
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It kills me to lose. If I'm a troublemaker, and I don't think that my temper makes me one, then it's because I can't stand losing. That's the way I am about winning, all I ever wanted to do was finish first.
Jackie Robinson
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If money titles meant anything, I'd play more tournaments. The only thing that means a lot to me is winning. If I have more wins than anybody else and win more majors than anybody else in the same year, then it's been a good year.
Tiger Woods
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Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next.
George Steinbrenner
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When you're a winner you're always happy, but if you're happy as a loser you'll always be a loser.
Mark Fidrych
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There is no room for second place. There is only one place in my game and that is first place. I have finished second twice in my time at Green Bay and I never want to finish second again.
Vince Lombardi
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Posted on 1/16/13 at 7:40 pm to tduecen
Win 10 games. Get a raise. Profit.
10 games = tduecen happy
Get a raise = Miles happy
Profit = LSU Happy
That is our process.
10 games = tduecen happy
Get a raise = Miles happy
Profit = LSU Happy
That is our process.
This post was edited on 1/16/13 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 1/16/13 at 7:40 pm to tduecen
Shouldn't be bothered by it
Posted on 1/16/13 at 7:41 pm to tduecen
Oops
This post was edited on 1/16/13 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 1/16/13 at 7:44 pm to tduecen
I am amazed that this mentality is not accepted by every Tigah fan, adminstrator, and coach. If it was, well you know 
Posted on 1/16/13 at 7:46 pm to tduecen
Go check Oregon fans. Kelley leaves and they are acting as if nothing happened. They look forward to a new season and new challenges. A lot of you don't even enjoy football season because as soon as the game starts you worry about the next game and two games into the season it is all about the next season.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 7:51 pm to tduecen
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why shouldn't fans feel a bit slighted when they fail to win a NC?
Because reasonable fans reailize that there can only be one national champion, and sometimes the planets just don't align properly (the injuries, suspensions, etc this year are a prime example). Based on the quotes you posted, do you really think the author's are inferring that "winners" win the championship every year?
Posted on 1/16/13 at 7:51 pm to tduecen
As a long time LSU fan, I don't have a bust metality. We have played in 3 BCSNCGs and won 2 of 3. I don't believe we have ever lost a College World Series championship game.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 7:58 pm to tduecen
Some strive to take home the big trophy. Some are ok with participation ribbons. Nothing wrong with being a ribbon type guy I guess 
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:01 pm to tduecen
Joe Alleva said it best. He said it is not ALLWAYS about winning the NC, it is important to be in the hunt every season meaning you can not win it every year.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:05 pm to tduecen
No NC is a bad feeling, but if we can't play for it at the end of the season, we better look better during the bowl game than during any other game.
We aren't going to be so spectacular next year.
We aren't going to be so spectacular next year.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:05 pm to tduecen
Vince Lombardi lost at least 1 game every year he coached.
From 1964 to 1969, he lost 3 or more games in every season but 1.
Oh, sure he won 5 NFL titles in an 7 year period but lost 2 or more games in 4 of those years. Went 9-4-1 the last year he won an NFL title (Super Bowl II). Never had a perfect season.
Maybe we just need a playoff in college football so a loss or two in the regular season won't matter as much.
Or I guess we could fire Les Miles and clone Vince Lombardi.
That would probably the only thing we could do to make the Nick Saban penis envy stop for a day or two.
We had a Nick Saban once. He left. The Nick Sabans and Chip Kellys of the world are few and far between. LSU might find another. But if you think Alleva is the guy to do it, I've got some pictures of Te'o's girlfriend I'd like to show you. Emmert made the Saban hire happen. Skip made the Miles hire happen. Alleva has never proven that he is capable of hiring any coach worth a shite.
From 1964 to 1969, he lost 3 or more games in every season but 1.
Oh, sure he won 5 NFL titles in an 7 year period but lost 2 or more games in 4 of those years. Went 9-4-1 the last year he won an NFL title (Super Bowl II). Never had a perfect season.
Maybe we just need a playoff in college football so a loss or two in the regular season won't matter as much.
Or I guess we could fire Les Miles and clone Vince Lombardi.
That would probably the only thing we could do to make the Nick Saban penis envy stop for a day or two.
We had a Nick Saban once. He left. The Nick Sabans and Chip Kellys of the world are few and far between. LSU might find another. But if you think Alleva is the guy to do it, I've got some pictures of Te'o's girlfriend I'd like to show you. Emmert made the Saban hire happen. Skip made the Miles hire happen. Alleva has never proven that he is capable of hiring any coach worth a shite.
This post was edited on 1/16/13 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:07 pm to tduecen
They one thing all of those people have in common is that they competed and control over winning and losing. When you compete you need that mentality, when you are a fan it just leads to madness.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:18 pm to tduecen
Only problem with ur logic is that we finished last season with the best record in football. We had more "wins" than the team that finished first. So according to guys like tiger woods, we had a good season and we won more games than everyone else.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:18 pm to tduecen
you missed one
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If you're not first, you're last.
Ricky Bobby
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:37 pm to tduecen
It's not NC or bust for me. It's two simple things:
1) watching those bastards in Alabama enjoy a dynasty in the middle of what's supposed to be LSU's football golden age. And yes I've hated Alabama long before Saban was there.
2) our offense makes the games unfun to watch.
This year featured both of these issues.
1) watching those bastards in Alabama enjoy a dynasty in the middle of what's supposed to be LSU's football golden age. And yes I've hated Alabama long before Saban was there.
2) our offense makes the games unfun to watch.
This year featured both of these issues.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:51 pm to tduecen
You mean like Bama fans who expect national titles all the time. Oh wait.
This post was edited on 1/16/13 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 1/16/13 at 9:21 pm to tduecen
The college sports model is now a business. We are paying top dollar to see LSU win championships now. Sorry, this is not the '60s, '70s, '80s, or even '90s anymore. The university and TAF could not care less who is buying the tickets now. The fans who are ponying up for the tickets should expect NC for the prices they are having to pay.
"Nobody's making them pay. They don't have to go to games."
But they are. This is the model that colleges want. They want me to pay to fund women's basketball, women's soccer, and swimming and diving...Fine. I want a crystal ball.
"Nobody's making them pay. They don't have to go to games."
But they are. This is the model that colleges want. They want me to pay to fund women's basketball, women's soccer, and swimming and diving...Fine. I want a crystal ball.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 9:49 pm to tduecen
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In professional sports it is normal to consider a season a failure unless you win the ultimate prize such as a Championship. Yet when LSU fails and people have this mentality people start claiming how horrible they must be. LSU is one of probably 10-15 Teams that yearly has a legit shot at a National Title and if you look at polls over past 10-15 seasons you see really all the teams that won started in Top 15 (Think Auburn and LSU 03 are only two that did not) so why shouldn't fans feel a bit slighted when they fail to win a NC? (Although there is an extreme cases BOTH ways on this and we've seen both sides on the Rant)
You're right. There is zero diff between professional athletes and collegiate athletes that can practice a maximum time of 20 hours a week.
It's funny that the BEST COACH IN CFB has lost a game year , EXCEPT ONCE , yet we expect Miles to be perfect.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 10:09 pm to tduecen
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...it is normal to consider a season a failure unless you win the ultimate prize such as a Championship.
Say what you want about Les Miles, but the man is a recruiter, and year in and year out he's got the horses to win the NC, and that wasn't always the case with LSU.
No one that I know personally begrudges him for the losses, but the first one of the season is always rough and it just gets tougher when the loss happens later in the season because the expectations are so high by then. I still spent this season with last year's NC loss to Bama in my mind. Next year I think I'll be able to enjoy the season a little more.
We might lose 2-3 games next year, but we could win them all, and it would be all kinds of wonderful if we do. But the following year the playoffs start, and for better teams like LSU year in and year out, that will only help with player motivation.
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