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The past 3 seasons.....
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:36 am
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:36 am
Since coming out of our low point in the 08-09 seasons, LSU is 34-6 with 1 SEC title and 1 NCG appearance. 1-2 bowl game record. LSU's 6 losses in this span came to teams with SIX LOSSES COMBINED. 5-3 against the other top programs.
Alabama, undisputedly the best program in the country led by the best coach in the country, is 35-5, with 1 SEC title and 2 NCG wins. 3-0 bowl game record. 5 losses came to teams with 10 losses combined. 2-3 against the other top programs.
Oregon, another top echelon program under the coach that many would consider the second best coach in the country, is 36-4 with 2 Pac 12 titles and 1 NCG appearance. 2-1 bowl game record. 4 losses came to teams with FIVE losses combined. 2-2 against the other top programs.
Stanford is arguably the next best program in that time period, is 35-5, 1 Pac 12 title. 2-1 bowl record. 4 losses to teams with eleven losses. 1-3 against the other top programs.
South Carolina, led by one of the most respected coaches of all time, is 31-9, 1 SECCG loss. 2-1 bowl record. 1-1 against other top programs.
Oklahoma, led by a well respected coach with 1 national title and 4 NCG appearances, was 32-8 with 1 Big 12 title. 2-1 bowl record. 2-1 against other top programs.
Oklahoma State, who did not receive a BCSCG invite in 2011, was 31-8. 1 Big 12 title. 3-0 bowl record. 3-2 against the other top programs.
Ohio State, led by 3 different coaches the past 3 years, 2 of which have won a combined 3 NCs in 5 NCG appearances, is 30-8, 1 Big 10 title (ineligible in 2012) 1-1 bowl record. Has not played any other top programs.
If I'm leaving another program off with more wins, please let me know. I went through Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Clemson, and none of them would top 30 wins the past 3 seasons.
Now obviously, Alabama also had their best season of 14-0 in 2009, but this is an LSU thread, trying to evaluate where WE are since we rebooted after JL and JJs first years as starters. That is why I chose the past 3 years as the sample to look at.
The other big complaint will be, obviously, that you can't compare the SEC records to other conferences, which is also why I left out Boise State who is 35-4 in a non-BCS conference in that span, but we're just looking at overall record. Even records within the SEC aren't necessarily created equal.
This year, with 6 SEC teams winning double digit games, the top teams played each other to the following records:
LSU: 2-2 (missed Georgia)
Bama: 2-1 (missed Florida, SC, and Georgia regular season)
A&M: 1-2 (missed Georgia, SC)
UGA: 1-2 (missed LSU, A&M, and Bama regular season)
FL: 3-1 (missed Bama)
SC: 1-2 (missed Bama, A&M)
Notably, Georgia and Bama, the only two teams that played only 2 of the big 6 during the regular season were the teams that made it to Atlanta for the SECCG.
Now obviously, LSU has struggled offensively more than the other teams on this list, which has led to increasing frustration among the fans and probably a lack of respect among the media and the main reason that our success has not been as celebrated as some of the other teams on the list.
Of course, several of the other teams in this list have struggled mightily on the DEFENSIVE side of the ball, while LSU has thrived. LSU will lose 6 of 11 starters on defense next season, however, so the offense will certainly have to improve on offense to keep pace with the other top programs.
LSU is 2-2 against Alabama (would have been 2-1 if not for an unfortunate postseason rematch), and 1-0 against Oregon, South Carolina, and Georgia, giving LSU a 5-2 record against the top teams in the country.
Alabama is 2-3, Oklahoma State is 3-2, Oklahoma is 2-1, Oregon is 2-2, Stanford is 1-3, South Carolina is 1-1. Ohio State has not played any of the others.
The most troubling aspect would be LSU is the only team on the list with a losing bowl record. With a convincing win over Texas A&M and a 1 point walk off FG loss to 11 win Clemson, the biggest standout, of course, was the performance on 1/9 against the current dynasty, and that is the game that colors the entire 3 year period.
The performance was inexcusable, despite the fact that LSU had already beaten Alabama on the road seemingly earning the right to play the best team from another conference to continue the SEC's streak of national titles.
However, it is good to know that LSU is still near the top of the college football world.
Our coach is coming off of the second 34 game winning 3 year period of his tenure at LSU, and is 2-2 against the current dynasty of college football world in that time span.
Again, LSU's 6 losses in this span came to teams with SIX LOSSES COMBINED, all of which came to teams winning at least 10 games, 3 of which went on to win the national title, and 5 played in a BCS bowl, the sixth being 11 win Clemson.
With perhaps the best recruiting class in the program's history coming in, LSU is set to continue winning for years to come.
Alabama, undisputedly the best program in the country led by the best coach in the country, is 35-5, with 1 SEC title and 2 NCG wins. 3-0 bowl game record. 5 losses came to teams with 10 losses combined. 2-3 against the other top programs.
Oregon, another top echelon program under the coach that many would consider the second best coach in the country, is 36-4 with 2 Pac 12 titles and 1 NCG appearance. 2-1 bowl game record. 4 losses came to teams with FIVE losses combined. 2-2 against the other top programs.
Stanford is arguably the next best program in that time period, is 35-5, 1 Pac 12 title. 2-1 bowl record. 4 losses to teams with eleven losses. 1-3 against the other top programs.
South Carolina, led by one of the most respected coaches of all time, is 31-9, 1 SECCG loss. 2-1 bowl record. 1-1 against other top programs.
Oklahoma, led by a well respected coach with 1 national title and 4 NCG appearances, was 32-8 with 1 Big 12 title. 2-1 bowl record. 2-1 against other top programs.
Oklahoma State, who did not receive a BCSCG invite in 2011, was 31-8. 1 Big 12 title. 3-0 bowl record. 3-2 against the other top programs.
Ohio State, led by 3 different coaches the past 3 years, 2 of which have won a combined 3 NCs in 5 NCG appearances, is 30-8, 1 Big 10 title (ineligible in 2012) 1-1 bowl record. Has not played any other top programs.
If I'm leaving another program off with more wins, please let me know. I went through Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Clemson, and none of them would top 30 wins the past 3 seasons.

Now obviously, Alabama also had their best season of 14-0 in 2009, but this is an LSU thread, trying to evaluate where WE are since we rebooted after JL and JJs first years as starters. That is why I chose the past 3 years as the sample to look at.
The other big complaint will be, obviously, that you can't compare the SEC records to other conferences, which is also why I left out Boise State who is 35-4 in a non-BCS conference in that span, but we're just looking at overall record. Even records within the SEC aren't necessarily created equal.
This year, with 6 SEC teams winning double digit games, the top teams played each other to the following records:
LSU: 2-2 (missed Georgia)
Bama: 2-1 (missed Florida, SC, and Georgia regular season)
A&M: 1-2 (missed Georgia, SC)
UGA: 1-2 (missed LSU, A&M, and Bama regular season)
FL: 3-1 (missed Bama)
SC: 1-2 (missed Bama, A&M)
Notably, Georgia and Bama, the only two teams that played only 2 of the big 6 during the regular season were the teams that made it to Atlanta for the SECCG.
Now obviously, LSU has struggled offensively more than the other teams on this list, which has led to increasing frustration among the fans and probably a lack of respect among the media and the main reason that our success has not been as celebrated as some of the other teams on the list.
Of course, several of the other teams in this list have struggled mightily on the DEFENSIVE side of the ball, while LSU has thrived. LSU will lose 6 of 11 starters on defense next season, however, so the offense will certainly have to improve on offense to keep pace with the other top programs.
LSU is 2-2 against Alabama (would have been 2-1 if not for an unfortunate postseason rematch), and 1-0 against Oregon, South Carolina, and Georgia, giving LSU a 5-2 record against the top teams in the country.
Alabama is 2-3, Oklahoma State is 3-2, Oklahoma is 2-1, Oregon is 2-2, Stanford is 1-3, South Carolina is 1-1. Ohio State has not played any of the others.
The most troubling aspect would be LSU is the only team on the list with a losing bowl record. With a convincing win over Texas A&M and a 1 point walk off FG loss to 11 win Clemson, the biggest standout, of course, was the performance on 1/9 against the current dynasty, and that is the game that colors the entire 3 year period.
The performance was inexcusable, despite the fact that LSU had already beaten Alabama on the road seemingly earning the right to play the best team from another conference to continue the SEC's streak of national titles.
However, it is good to know that LSU is still near the top of the college football world.
Our coach is coming off of the second 34 game winning 3 year period of his tenure at LSU, and is 2-2 against the current dynasty of college football world in that time span.
Again, LSU's 6 losses in this span came to teams with SIX LOSSES COMBINED, all of which came to teams winning at least 10 games, 3 of which went on to win the national title, and 5 played in a BCS bowl, the sixth being 11 win Clemson.
With perhaps the best recruiting class in the program's history coming in, LSU is set to continue winning for years to come.
This post was edited on 1/11/13 at 11:37 am
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:38 am to Tiger Voodoo
Too much logic! All they wanna hear is how bad Les is and how much we need a coordinator
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:39 am to Tiger Voodoo
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With perhaps the best recruiting class in the program's history coming in
Really?
Too bad we don't have the offensive coaches to develop them.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:39 am to Tiger Voodoo
It wouldn't be such a big arse deal to everyone if Alabama wasn't racking up NCs at LSU's expense. With a former coach.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:40 am to kevg33
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we need a coordinator
Nothing in that post will convince me we still don't. There is always room for improvement especially when your offense is consistently in the bottom half of the nation.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:44 am to kevg33
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Too much logic! All they wanna hear is how bad Les is and how much we need a coordinator
The logic is that les isnt good enough to stop nick saban from winning championships at LSU's expense, and that LSU needs a new coach and/or OC badly.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:45 am to Tiger Voodoo
Doesn't Matter. Miles sucks.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:56 am to etm512
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It wouldn't be such a big arse deal to everyone if Alabama wasn't racking up NCs at LSU's expense. With a former coach.
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There is always room for improvement especially when your offense is consistently in the bottom half of the nation.
Agree with both of these 100%.
Unlike some, I think the passing game did improve this year, especially as the season wore on and the OL and WR problems got fixed.
Our best game of the year in the passing game came against Alabama, and that was followed up with 2 more very good passing performances.
The Arkansas and Clemson games took a step back, but I'm confident that Mett's 3 game SEC stretch at the back end of the year is something that this team and staff can build on.
We will need to, given the likelihood that the D will experience growing pains early in the year.
If LSU continues this trend of double digit wins, it will be due to the offense in 2013.
I'm excited to see how we respond.

Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:57 am to Tiger Voodoo
Our best season came because we faced Oregon in the first game. What Les put the team thru to be ready for Oregon's offense set the stage for our great run in 2011. Now if Les can just take that same approach to beating Bama and the rest of the SEC next year. We have the talent, we just need to commit and see it thru. 

Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:56 am to TenTex
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Our best season came because we faced Oregon in the first game. What Les put the team thru to be ready for Oregon's offense set the stage for our great run in 2011.
That's actually a really good point.
The second best season under Miles had the week 2 VTech top 10 showdown as well.
With TCU to start the season in the Jerry Dome, hopefully the team will buy in fully and prepare like crazy in the offseason.
We'll need it, because the 5 game SEC stretch of Auburn, AT UGA, AT MSU, Florida, AT OM in a row is going to be brutal as always.
And that's before we even get to Bama and A&M.

Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:02 am to kevg33
quote:so are you happy with the production of our offense the last 3 years?
Too much logic! All they wanna hear is how bad Les is and how much we need a coordinator
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:03 am to Tiger Voodoo
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The Arkansas and Clemson games took a step back, but I'm confident that Mett's 3 game SEC stretch at the back end of the year is something that this team and staff can build on.
I was hoping for that and then the last 2 games happened where we looked just as lost as we did at the beginning of the season. That's frightening.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:06 am to TiegerTim
I'm happy with the production of the team. Everybody is second best to Saban and Bama right now. So ND didn't have a good coordinator last night? We have good coaches. We are in the upper crust of college football year in and year out. We were perhaps one minute from playing in NC game with a new qb, our best tackle out for year and one of the best defensive players in country suspended right before season started. Enjoy it!
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:08 am to etm512
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I was hoping for that and then the last 2 games happened where we looked just as lost as we did at the beginning of the season. That's frightening.
I hear ya man, but teams play in waves all the time.
We at least showed we have the ability to be in a position to win games against SEC teams because of our O, not our D.
Many people will claim that that is impossible and we haven't seen that since 07 under Miles.
Well, I would point to that as proof that we can win based on our O. Like I said, something positive to build on.

Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:09 am to etm512
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here we looked just as lost as we did at the beginning of the season. That's frightening.
a QB regressing under Miles?
nah.....never happened before :coughJJcough:
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:12 am to Tiger Voodoo
So you are saying I can put my hair-fire out ? 

Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:14 am to TiegerTim
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so are you happy with the production of our offense the last 3 years?
don't expect an answer to that question.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:14 am to Tiger Voodoo
Miles was lucky to only lose 3 this year. The team wasn't nearly as good week in and week out as it appeared in the Bama game.
Crying about schedule is pointless. Do you honestly think Bama would have lost 3 games if they had played our schedule this year?
Way to cherry-pick your timeline to include the year after a national championship but not the undefeated national championship year.
Crying about schedule is pointless. Do you honestly think Bama would have lost 3 games if they had played our schedule this year?
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Alabama, undisputedly the best program in the country led by the best coach in the country, is 35-5, with 1 SEC title and 2 NCG wins. 3-0 bowl game record. 5 losses came to teams with 10 losses combined. 2-3 against the other top programs.
Way to cherry-pick your timeline to include the year after a national championship but not the undefeated national championship year.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:16 am to Tiger Voodoo
First...
WALL OF TEXT...
second...
Ya think??!!
Pump that 'shine!!
WALL OF TEXT...
second...
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Now obviously, LSU has struggled offensively more than the other teams on this list
Ya think??!!
Pump that 'shine!!
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:17 am to Tiger Voodoo
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I hear ya man, but teams play in waves all the time.
True but we have more bad "waves" on O than good.
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We at least showed we have the ability to be in a position to win games against SEC teams because of our O, not our D.
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Many people will claim that that is impossible and we haven't seen that since 07 under Miles.
And this is the most frustrating part to me. We have the guys to do it. We've seen it. We know they are talented. Something is just broken in the system that needs to be fixed and it has been needed for a while.

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