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A review of the Offensive Prowess of TAMU.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 10/17/12 at 12:28 pm
TAMU boasts about its offensive prowess with all of the skill of used car salesmen and political campaign activists. Now don't get me wrong they do have an accomplished offense with some legitamate threats.
However, despite their very high average pts per game, and total yards gained, some may find it interesting that TAMU does not hold the title of attaining the most total yards against 5/6 of its opponents so far this season even though 50% of those teams have losing records. Heck Johnny Football and company only managed to score more points compared to other teams against 50% of their common opponents this season and 2 of those 3 have losing records. TAMU has also only won a single game (SMU) this season with a more commanding point margin than other teams that beat their common opponents.
In fact when looking at Fla, arguably TAMU's only real defensive challenge thus far, both 2-4 Vandy and 3-3 Tenn were able to put up more total yards, more passing yards, and equivalent or greater points. Even 4-3 MAC competitor Bowling Green was able to put up only 7 less total yards, 26 more passing yards, and only 3 less points than the amazing TAMU offense.
I know that TAMU fans will quickly say Johnny was not developed yet, so let’s look at other games.
Against SMU, TAMU put up an impressive 605 yards 380 in the air and a total of 49 points. However 3-2 Baylor put up 613 yards, 393 in the air and 59 total points on their season opener against SMU.
Against the mighty South Carolina State bulldogs, TAMU put on a clinic with 448 yards, 183 passing and 265 rushing, and won by a dominating 56 pt margin after giving up 14 to the dogs. Strangely this could not eclipse the previous week’s offensive production by 3-3 Arizona who gained 689 yards, 366 in the air, 323 on the ground and won by a dominating 56 pt margin after shutting the dogs out.
Against Ole Miss, 6 weeks into the season, TAMU had an impressive game offensively racking up 481 total yards 191 in the air and 290 on the ground for a total score of 30 but only won by a 3 pt margin. Despite not reaching that total yardage Alabama was able to put up 3 more points and 305 total yards winning by 19 pt margin. Granted undefeated Ala is the #1 team in the nation. Texas however, with 2 losses on the season was able to gain 676 yards, 350 on the ground and 326 in the air for an astounding 66 points and a 35 pt margin over Ole Miss. While not quite at that level, even 5-2 FCS team Central Arkansas was able to gain 347 yards and 27 points on Ole Miss.
In review of the narrow margin win over a talented LaTech team, TAMU totaled 678 yards, 395 through the air and 283 on the ground for a total 59 points and squeaked out a win with a 2pt margin. 678 yards seems impressive until you realize that 3 loss Houston gained 693 with 580 being in the air and amassed 49 pts. Virginia now 2-5 also breeched the 600 yard mark with 625 total and 480 in the air scoring 38 points. Even UNLV with a dismal 1-6 record on the season managed to score 31 on Tech while gaining 536 yards, 378 of which in the air.
To TAMU's credit:
The one game TAMU did comparatively dominate offensively was a depleted Arkansas. with 716 yards of offense, 498 in the air and 58 points on the board they won by a convincing 48 pt margin. Alabama won by a 52 pt margin but only needed to gain 438 total yards to do so. Both Rutgers and ULM put up 525 yards and 34 + points on the same Ark team.
However, despite their very high average pts per game, and total yards gained, some may find it interesting that TAMU does not hold the title of attaining the most total yards against 5/6 of its opponents so far this season even though 50% of those teams have losing records. Heck Johnny Football and company only managed to score more points compared to other teams against 50% of their common opponents this season and 2 of those 3 have losing records. TAMU has also only won a single game (SMU) this season with a more commanding point margin than other teams that beat their common opponents.
In fact when looking at Fla, arguably TAMU's only real defensive challenge thus far, both 2-4 Vandy and 3-3 Tenn were able to put up more total yards, more passing yards, and equivalent or greater points. Even 4-3 MAC competitor Bowling Green was able to put up only 7 less total yards, 26 more passing yards, and only 3 less points than the amazing TAMU offense.
I know that TAMU fans will quickly say Johnny was not developed yet, so let’s look at other games.
Against SMU, TAMU put up an impressive 605 yards 380 in the air and a total of 49 points. However 3-2 Baylor put up 613 yards, 393 in the air and 59 total points on their season opener against SMU.
Against the mighty South Carolina State bulldogs, TAMU put on a clinic with 448 yards, 183 passing and 265 rushing, and won by a dominating 56 pt margin after giving up 14 to the dogs. Strangely this could not eclipse the previous week’s offensive production by 3-3 Arizona who gained 689 yards, 366 in the air, 323 on the ground and won by a dominating 56 pt margin after shutting the dogs out.
Against Ole Miss, 6 weeks into the season, TAMU had an impressive game offensively racking up 481 total yards 191 in the air and 290 on the ground for a total score of 30 but only won by a 3 pt margin. Despite not reaching that total yardage Alabama was able to put up 3 more points and 305 total yards winning by 19 pt margin. Granted undefeated Ala is the #1 team in the nation. Texas however, with 2 losses on the season was able to gain 676 yards, 350 on the ground and 326 in the air for an astounding 66 points and a 35 pt margin over Ole Miss. While not quite at that level, even 5-2 FCS team Central Arkansas was able to gain 347 yards and 27 points on Ole Miss.
In review of the narrow margin win over a talented LaTech team, TAMU totaled 678 yards, 395 through the air and 283 on the ground for a total 59 points and squeaked out a win with a 2pt margin. 678 yards seems impressive until you realize that 3 loss Houston gained 693 with 580 being in the air and amassed 49 pts. Virginia now 2-5 also breeched the 600 yard mark with 625 total and 480 in the air scoring 38 points. Even UNLV with a dismal 1-6 record on the season managed to score 31 on Tech while gaining 536 yards, 378 of which in the air.
To TAMU's credit:
The one game TAMU did comparatively dominate offensively was a depleted Arkansas. with 716 yards of offense, 498 in the air and 58 points on the board they won by a convincing 48 pt margin. Alabama won by a 52 pt margin but only needed to gain 438 total yards to do so. Both Rutgers and ULM put up 525 yards and 34 + points on the same Ark team.
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Posted on 10/17/12 at 12:31 pm to Bleeding purple
Posted on 10/17/12 at 12:32 pm to Bleeding purple
in other words.....A&M frickED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 10/17/12 at 12:50 pm to DownSouthCrawfish
Well, the TAMU fans should at least have some degree of comparable reality.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 12:56 pm to Bleeding purple
Nice work even though most astute college football fans realize that aTm doesn't have much of a defense. On the other hand, LSU is only averaging close to 400 ypg. However, they proved last week they can attain that kind of yardage against the 12th rated defense in America. aTM's defense is currently ranked 72nd. Even with a depleted OL and without their best back, expect Miles to pound the Aggies defense with 50+ carries and a substancial ToP lead. JM is a great young player and the Aggies have a legit top 20 team. This game could go either way but look for the Aggies to walk off the field asking "how did that team lose to Florida." Florida played great and the Tiger's hit the worst case scenario of injuries and turnovers that week. Doubt that happens again this year.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 1:00 pm to Bleeding purple
Stats don't mean shite in most cases. A&M had way more yards against Florida that we did. Does that mean that we are going to lose automatically? Most statistical breakdowns are a waste of time. It is all about matchups and execution. Some teams match up better against certain kind of teams.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 1:00 pm to Bleeding purple
SMU lost to Tulame.... 
Posted on 10/17/12 at 1:01 pm to RANDY44
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JM is a great young player and the Aggies have a legit top 20 team. This game could go either way but look for the Aggies to walk off the field asking "how did that team lose to Florida." Florida played great and the Tiger's hit the worst case scenario of injuries and turnovers that week. Doubt that happens again this year.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 1:03 pm to mtheob17
Good post on stats....as long as we don't turn the football over and do a better job in the red zone, we win plane and simple... 
Posted on 10/17/12 at 1:14 pm to Bleeding purple
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In fact when looking at Fla, arguably TAMU's only real defensive challenge thus far, both 2-4 Vandy and 3-3 Tenn were able to put up more total yards, more passing yards, and equivalent or greater points
You really got us here, froggie. Only 17 points with the first game in a new offensive scheme with a RS-FR QB making his first start.
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Against SMU, TAMU put up an impressive 605 yards 380 in the air and a total of 49 points. However 3-2 Baylor put up 613 yards, 393 in the air and 59 total points on their season opener against SMU.
Perhaps this is also because A&M pulled their first-teamers at the beginning of the 4th quarter because they only allowed a field goal?
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Against the mighty South Carolina State bulldogs, TAMU put on a clinic with 448 yards, 183 passing and 265 rushing, and won by a dominating 56 pt margin after giving up 14 to the dogs. Strangely this could not eclipse the previous week’s offensive production by 3-3 Arizona who gained 689 yards, 366 in the air, 323 on the ground and won by a dominating 56 pt margin after shutting the dogs out.
We also benched our starters at half-time, played a running-clock game, and started every drive from around the 50 due to our Punt Returner breaking the SEC punt return yardage record. Hence the discrepancy between yards and points.
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Against Ole Miss, 6 weeks into the season, TAMU had an impressive game offensively racking up 481 total yards 191 in the air and 290 on the ground for a total score of 30 but only won by a 3 pt margin. Despite not reaching that total yardage Alabama was able to put up 3 more points and 305 total yards winning by 19 pt margin. Granted undefeated Ala is the #1 team in the nation. Texas however, with 2 losses on the season was able to gain 676 yards, 350 on the ground and 326 in the air for an astounding 66 points and a 35 pt margin over Ole Miss. While not quite at that level, even 5-2 FCS team Central Arkansas was able to gain 347 yards and 27 points on Ole Miss.
Yeah, we managed to rack up nearly 500 yards of offense - while committing 6 turnovers after committing 1 in garbage time prior to that.
You know, you're really good at slanted statistics. You should be an Obama speechwriter or something.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 1:22 pm to AeroAg2012
The point wasn't necessarily that your offense is worse than these others teams, just that it's not otherworldly and putting beatdowns on teams that do a good job on defense.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 1:25 pm to Bleeding purple
I like this sir.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 1:47 pm to AeroAg2012
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Only 17 points with the first game in a new offensive scheme with a RS-FR QB making his first start.
Excuse that I knew would be used and accounted for it in the next paragraph.
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Perhaps this is also because A&M pulled their first-teamers at the beginning of the 4th quarter because they only allowed a field goal?
but but but.... Baylor was in
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the first game of the season with a QB making his first start
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We also benched our starters at half-time
because no other team puts second or third string in decisive wins.
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Yeah, we managed to rack up nearly 500 yards of offense - while committing 6 turnovers
so you like to give the ball away huh?
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You really got us here, froggie
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You know, you're really good at slanted statistics. You should be an Obama speechwriter or something
You know when you start calling others names, and hiding behind the idea that simple data constitutes slanted stats you are really showing your hand. Statistics would be using the data to indicate a trend or predictable outcome. The data is simply what it is. Do you argue any of the OP data? Was any of it untrue?
TAMU offense while very good thus far is not the best thing since sliced bread. The same evidence or data you and other Ags use to support this assertion is directly detracting from your point.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 2:43 pm to Bleeding purple
Good God, putting that TCU "half the education for twice the price" degree to good use, I see.
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the first game of the season with a QB making his first start
You do know that Nick Florence started nearly the entire 2009 season for Baylor, right? Next.
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because no other team puts second or third string in decisive wins.
When you're doing comparative statistics, at least have the common decency to try one-for-one comparisons. Arizona's Matt Scott was still slinging it deep into the third quarter and they still didn't manage as many points. Again, mixing statistics. You use margin of victory when convenient, total offense when convenient, and scoring O when one of the other two doesn't work. Basics in slanted statistics.
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so you like to give the ball away huh?
Yeah, because 6 turnovers in one game versus 3 turnovers over the other five (only 2 by starters) doesn't scream aberration to you?
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You know when you start calling others names, and hiding behind the idea that simple data constitutes slanted stats you are really showing your hand. Statistics would be using the data to indicate a trend or predictable outcome. The data is simply what it is. Do you argue any of the OP data? Was any of it untrue?
No, YOUR brand of "statistics" is using different metrics whenever convenient for your argument. I don't argue with the raw data, only with the way you present it, which is patently ridiculous.
This post was edited on 10/17/12 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 10/17/12 at 2:53 pm to AeroAg2012
You don't get to be #1 and #2 in both rushing and passing offensive categories at this point in the season unless your offense is pretty stout.
I am not saying LSU loses but we better show up with a good game plan and the players better execute that game plan.
I am not saying LSU loses but we better show up with a good game plan and the players better execute that game plan.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 2:54 pm to AeroAg2012
Posted on 10/17/12 at 2:55 pm to AeroAg2012
there was no deceit or hidden info in how the information was presented.
When TAMU scored more points I noted it.
When TAMU had the largest margin of victory I noted it.
When TAMU had the most yards I noted it.
The best part is getting you to continue to argue that the data is wrong. That and having you list excuse after excuse to explain away the reality of the data.
TAMU IS NOT THE MOST PRODUCTIVE OFFENSE THAT MOST OF ITS OPPONENTS HAVE FACED.
That being said, TAMU has a very good offense. It is just not the unwavering unfailing offense (except the first game that ags have an excuse for) that you all want it to be.
Sat is going to be fun.
When TAMU scored more points I noted it.
When TAMU had the largest margin of victory I noted it.
When TAMU had the most yards I noted it.
The best part is getting you to continue to argue that the data is wrong. That and having you list excuse after excuse to explain away the reality of the data.
TAMU IS NOT THE MOST PRODUCTIVE OFFENSE THAT MOST OF ITS OPPONENTS HAVE FACED.
That being said, TAMU has a very good offense. It is just not the unwavering unfailing offense (except the first game that ags have an excuse for) that you all want it to be.
Sat is going to be fun.
This post was edited on 10/17/12 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 10/17/12 at 2:59 pm to Bleeding purple
Bleeding, you're wasting your time.
That goof won't admit he's wrong. Period.
He'll throw you a bunch of stats, you'll prove him wrong, then he'll make excuses and will continue to argue even though he knows (I would assume he knows) that he's incorrect.
That goof won't admit he's wrong. Period.
He'll throw you a bunch of stats, you'll prove him wrong, then he'll make excuses and will continue to argue even though he knows (I would assume he knows) that he's incorrect.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 3:02 pm to Bleeding purple
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The best part is getting you to continue to argue that the data is wrong. That and having you list excuse after excuse to explain away the reality of the data.
No, I never argued that the data ARE wrong (the word "data" is plural, dude). I just argued that you presented the data completely out of the context of the games played. You're comparing apples to oranges and trying to pass off such comparisons as significant.
Posted on 10/17/12 at 3:17 pm to Bleeding purple
While digging deep in the stats, we should research how many morning games the Bayou Bengals have won in the modern era. If I know one thing about "the boot" it is that they suck at morning.
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