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Coaches Poll history - blantant homerism, conference nepotism and odd voting

Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:21 pm
Posted by Zamoro10
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:21 pm
Two more years of relying on the Coaches Poll. Some highlights.

Brian Kelly - voted his team Cincy #1 following the '09 regular season.

Bob Stoops - When Oklahoma went 11-2 in '07, the Sooners had two first place votes. One of those was from Stoops, and the other was from Steve Spurrier, Stoops' former employer at Florida.

In 2005, Oklahoma went 7-4 and finished outside the Top 25. Yet Stoops had his team at No. 21.

Les Miles - In '07, LSU became the first team to win the BCS title after having lost twice during the regular season, including its final regular season game and his voting habits throughout the season helped that tremendously.

Miles voted his team No. 1 after it defeated Tennessee in the SEC title game, not a surprising move by any measure. But he also voted six SEC teams an average of five spots ahead of where those teams actually finished in the final poll to increase his strength of schedule. He voted Arkansas and Auburn a full nine spots ahead of their final resting places.

Hal Mumme - in 2007 he voted Hawaii #1 in his final regular season ballot. The former Kentucky head coach left Tennessee completely off his ballot, which was submitted mere minutes after the Vols lost by seven to the eventual national champion LSU in the SEC title game. Georgia beat Hawaii 41-10 in the Sugar Bowl.

Steve Spurrier - hates tOSU - In '07, he ranked #1 (10-1) Ohio State No. 5, behind four two-loss teams. In '05, Spurrier ranked the Buckeyes at No. 8 - they finished at No. 4. In 2009, Spurrier ranked Ohio State No. 11—three spots below their No. 8 finish.

Gary Pinkel hates mid-majors - In '09, he ranked Oregon (10-2) No. 7 while he put Boise State, who defeated the Ducks head-to-head AND finished 13-0, at No. 9. In 2008, Utah and Boise State were both undefeated and finished No. 6 and No. 9, respectively. Pinkel ranked the two at No. 15 and No. 16, respectively. TCU, who finished 10-2 and ranked No. 11, was voted No. 16 by Pinkel.

Houston Nutt loves him some SEC - In 2005 Nutt placed (9-2) No. 7 Auburn at No. 3 in the country in his final regular season ballot over Penn State (10-1) and Ohio State. (Auburn finished 14th after losing to Wisconsin in the Cap One Bowl.)

Nutt ranked all SEC teams an average of four spots ahead of where they actually finished. All this while not even ranking No. 11 West Virginia at all (West Virginia finished at #7 in the final rankings) after beating Georgia in the Sugar Bowl.

Charlie Weatherbie - Louisiana-Monroe. In '09 he ranked National Title participant Texas its lowest ranking at No. 4 in his final regular season ballot.

He also left #13 LSU completely off his ballot as well. He was the only coach to do so. But gave Troy one of its two votes.

Anonymous - At the end of the 1995 season, when all votes were still anonymous, two coaches dropped Florida to 11th and 13th after the Gators lost the title game to Nebraska.
Posted by stapuffmarshy
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:23 pm to
Nick Saban - Voted Okie State 5th so his team could get a rematch - 2011
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:23 pm to
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Anonymous - At the end of the 1995 season, when all votes were still anonymous, two coaches dropped Florida to 11th and 13th after the Gators lost the title game to Nebraska.


So what? The score was 62-24. Ohio State got hammered in the polls after the Florida loss and I didn't bitch about it.
Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

Nick Saban - Voted Okie State 5th so his team could get a rematch
was just about to post this
Posted by Tigerbait337
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2008
20535 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:25 pm to
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Les Miles - In '07, LSU became the first team to win the BCS title after having lost twice during the regular season, including its final regular season game and his voting habits throughout the season helped that tremendously.


So you have a problem with him voting teams on how he thought they performed on the field? Not by record? Records don't indicate which team is better.

quote:

Brian Kelly - voted his team Cincy #1 following the '09 regular season.


Weren't they undefeated? Still, even if they lost to UF, he saw his team every week, not UF, not Alabama, not Texas, not Texas A&M, not Oklahoma


ETA - These two are the only ones I don't have major problems with
This post was edited on 8/16/12 at 2:26 pm
Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:26 pm to
This is part of the reason I have always said that the BCS should of NEVER gotten rid of SOS.
Posted by ptra
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:29 pm to
Wouldn't this happen in any type of poll? Every poll, even computer poll, is based on some type of human bias.
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:29 pm to
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This is part of the reason I have always said that the BCS should of NEVER gotten rid of SOS.


SOS is an integral part of computer polls.
Posted by FightOn4ever
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:30 pm to
Good stuff there Z.
Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:34 pm to
in some of the computer polls. I was talking about the actual SOS element they had up till around 03. As soon as USC got left out due to a weak SOS, they had to get rid of the SOS.
Posted by loweralabamatrojan
Lower Alabama
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:36 pm to
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SOS is an integral part of computer polls.

It's not integral enough when you don't penalize teams for playing FCS opponents, IMHO.
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:36 pm to
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It's not integral enough when you don't penalize teams for playing FCS opponents, IMHO.


everyone plays FCS now
Posted by stapuffmarshy
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:37 pm to
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I was talking about the actual SOS element they had up till around 03. As soon as USC got left out due to a weak SOS, they had to get rid of the SOS.


fact


and I did prefer the stand alone SOS element
Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
9887 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

fact


and I did prefer the stand alone SOS element

Instead everyone complained and said that more power needed to be given to the voters, now
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Coaches Poll history - blantant homerism, conference nepotism and odd voting

Posted by Zamoro10
Member since Jul 2008
14743 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:40 pm to
And I forgot...(as an equal opportunity post)

USC - In 2003 the 3 coaches who voted USC #1 despite not being allowed to by contract were:

Lou Holtz of South Carolina (Pete Carroll's former boss), Mike Bellotti of Oregon (Pac 10) and Ron Turner of Illinois (who was coached by Pete Carroll at Pacific.)
Posted by stapuffmarshy
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

USC - In 2003 the 3 coaches who voted USC #1 despite not being allowed to by contract were:

Lou Holtz of South Carolina (Pete Carroll's former boss), Mike Bellotti of Oregon (Pac 10) and Ron Turner of Illinois (who was coached by Pete Carroll at Pacific.)



I would bet some of Nick's ex's voted Okie State lower than 3rd last season as well


Posted by Zamoro10
Member since Jul 2008
14743 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:49 pm to
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So what? The score was 62-24.


Uh, it was 1995 Nebraska. You're saying 12 other teams voted ahead of the Gators could have done better?

Sort of absurd to drop them that far considering they were actually in the title game.
This post was edited on 8/16/12 at 2:50 pm
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:50 pm to
I highly doubt Miles' ballot helped LSU "tremendously". How about "marginally"? Also, in his defense, he puts his money where his mouth is. He believe the SEC is the toughest conference, and voted Bama #2 last season. He didn't try to dodge the rematch -- he honestly believes in the SEC. He's not gaming the system, he's voting his opinion, which is what a poll is.

The problem with the poll is not the inherent bias, it's that we have a system that values such a poll.
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:55 pm to
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everyone plays FCS now


False
Posted by Zamoro10
Member since Jul 2008
14743 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:58 pm to
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I highly doubt Miles' ballot helped LSU "tremendously". How about "marginally"?


Not my words, I was just cutting and pasting from different snippets about coaching poll absurdities.

One coaches vote doesn't help tremendously - but the point of the post is obviously the shenanigans and yet we really on this poll when everyone is just looking out for their own best interest or doing their former friend/coach a favor.
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