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re: Question about or recruiting in the 70's 80's and maybe some 90's
Posted on 7/26/12 at 5:17 pm to Cincinnati Bowtie
Posted on 7/26/12 at 5:17 pm to Cincinnati Bowtie
I remember the headline in the Times Picaune stating the Eagles(Shaw) had landed the day after signing and not many if any landed at LSU. We lost more players to Nebraska, Florida State, Miami, Michigan, Notre Dame, Colorado, SMU, Texas, A&M, San Diego St( Marshall Faulk), Tulane,and others than we should have. These loses kept us from becoming an elite program. We lost alot of players from metro New Orleans. This is fact. Stovall and Arnsburger turned that around a bit but the next two, Archer and Curley were totally inept at keeping in state players at home. I followed recruiting quite avidly and that is how I remember it. For a while, it just was not cool to go to LSU if you were from New Orleans. It was cool to go out of state. I welcome any remarks. By the way , I have resided in the N.O. area all of my life... graduate of St Aloysius ( Brother Martin) High.
This post was edited on 7/26/12 at 5:20 pm
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Posted on 7/26/12 at 5:33 pm to texastigerr
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Read the rest of the thread and to whom that was a response to.
I did. The guy was kidding and you corrected him seriously, thus it went over your head
Posted on 7/26/12 at 5:41 pm to gemlsu
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I remember the headline in the Times Picaune stating the Eagles(Shaw) had landed the day after signing and not many if any landed at LSU. We lost more players to Nebraska, Florida State, Miami, Michigan, Notre Dame, Colorado, SMU, Texas, A&M, San Diego St( Marshall Faulk), Tulane,and others than we should have. These loses kept us from becoming an elite program. We lost alot of players from metro New Orleans. This is fact. Stovall and Arnsburger turned that around a bit but the next two, Archer and Curley were totally inept at keeping in state players at home. I followed recruiting quite avidly and that is how I remember it. For a while, it just was not cool to go to LSU if you were from New Orleans. It was cool to go out of state. I welcome any remarks. By the way , I have resided in the N.O. area all of my life... graduate of St Aloysius ( Brother Martin) High.
This time also coincided with the rise of ESPN and much more exposure for many programs in this area and..... The demise of LSU football under Archer did not help matters - winning solves a lot of problems.
And once the bleeding started it was hard to stop. It also hurt that some alums from some N.O. schools were college asst. at some of these schools too.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 5:58 pm to gemlsu
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San Diego St( Marshall Faulk),
Didn't we recruit him as a defensive back?
Posted on 7/26/12 at 6:11 pm to gemlsu
LSU traditional recruiting territory has been form near Gulfport Ms up to Brookhaven to Lake Charles, and a ban from the middle of south La into the top of the state.
With Texas Houston area always being recruited.
This changed when Stovall and Pete started to recruit New Orleans heavy.
LSU normally in the 70's signed 6-8 of the top 12 and 8-10 in the 80's, the 90's are very different.
Florida was a top recruiting area for us in the very late 70's-80's.
Miss, and Tex have been the main LSU out of state recruiting grounds forever, with Arkansas playing a major factor in the 20's.
With Texas Houston area always being recruited.
This changed when Stovall and Pete started to recruit New Orleans heavy.
LSU normally in the 70's signed 6-8 of the top 12 and 8-10 in the 80's, the 90's are very different.
Florida was a top recruiting area for us in the very late 70's-80's.
Miss, and Tex have been the main LSU out of state recruiting grounds forever, with Arkansas playing a major factor in the 20's.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 6:12 pm to gemlsu
There was a definite disconnect with NO. However, the year I came out, NO was actually thin.
Michigan and Notre Dame did sime poaching as well. Ward Manuel and Stonebreaker come to mind.
Michigan and Notre Dame did sime poaching as well. Ward Manuel and Stonebreaker come to mind.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 6:26 pm to texastigerr
Prior to 2000 LSU did not consistently have top 5 recruiting classes. I can recall many blue chippers that got away. Additionally, LSU recruits out of state much better. I would also wager that the recruiting budget is much larger than it was prior to the stadium additions.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 6:45 pm to texastigerr
if you are intimating that LSU sucked in the 70's and 80's you'd be wrong. our main problem in the 70's was no black players (early 70's) but that was true with ALL schools,esp the southern ones. the next biggest recruiting problem was charlie mac was the I10 recruiter, Pensacola to Houston. therefore we did lose guys in north la and new orleans (except the catholic schools in no). but, overall LSU got the majority of the best la players most yrs. the 90's are a different story.
a lot of people on here and elsewhere think LSU football started when saban arrived. wrong. we had a lot of good teams. archer was bad and hallman was worse. and dinardo had tepper. but paul dietzle, charlie mac and arnsbarger fielded some bad arse teams.
a lot of people on here and elsewhere think LSU football started when saban arrived. wrong. we had a lot of good teams. archer was bad and hallman was worse. and dinardo had tepper. but paul dietzle, charlie mac and arnsbarger fielded some bad arse teams.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 6:49 pm to nitwit
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Joe Ferguson, John Booty were both All American and signed with Arkansas
ferguson went to arkansas because bert jones went to lsu and terry bradshaw went to la tech. all three guys came on the scene at the same time. wish la would spread their great qb's out a little.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 6:57 pm to LSU GrandDad
I wasn't intimating anything. I was asking the question. I never said anything about sucking. I was very involved in the 70's. I knew a lot of the players because of it. I didn't spend anytime figuring out their high school playing careers because they were at LSU and that was good enough for me. I personally do not believe that Bear Bryant had this overwhelming knowledge of the game of football that was head and shoulders over every other coach. I believe he probably had huge talent edge over a lot of the schools in the SEC at that time. So I was just asking if we missed out on a lot of talent or if the talent in LA was not as good for that day and time as it is now for this period in time.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 7:02 pm to CharlesLSU
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There was a definite disconnect with NO. However, the year I came out, NO was actually thin. Michigan and Notre Dame did sime poaching as well. Ward Manuel and Stonebreaker come to mind.
I remember that. Was really disappointed that Manuel went to Michigan. Thought he was LSU bound being from Ehret.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 7:17 pm to razer
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Question about or recruiting in the 70's 80's and maybe some 90's
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There was a definite disconnect with NO. However, the year I came out, NO was actually thin. Michigan and Notre Dame did sime poaching as well. Ward Manuel and Stonebreaker come to mind.
I remember that. Was really disappointed that Manuel went to Michigan. Thought he was LSU bound being from Ehret.
Warde was a crusader not a patriot
Posted on 7/26/12 at 7:18 pm to razer
Ward played at Brother Martin....sorry.
My recruiting class was regarded as the #4 class that year, but rankings were not like today ....
My recruiting class was regarded as the #4 class that year, but rankings were not like today ....
Posted on 7/26/12 at 7:21 pm to CharlesLSU
No problem fella you still top notch in my book!
Posted on 7/26/12 at 8:06 pm to choupiquesushi
I seem to remember talent being disbursed all over when I was coming out of high school in 83.
Burnell Dent, Terrence Jones, Eric Thomas, Tyrone Vaughan, Zeno to Tulane (Mack Brown coach)
Leroy Hoard from Aug to Michigan, Neil Smith from McDonough 35 to Nebraska, Michael Stonebreaker to Notre Dame, Brian Mitchell (I think that was his name) to USL,Gary Reasons to Northwestern (a little earlier) and a few big names to Northeastern
LSU was getting Toby Caston, Garry James, Dalton Hilliard, Michael Brooks, Sammy Martin, Roland Barbay, Tommy Clapp, Nacho Albergamo, Eric Andolsek so some pretty solid talent but could have been more if they had gotten half of the ones above.
Like someone said, hard to say without the national comparisons from services like Rivals but most above had pro careers
Burnell Dent, Terrence Jones, Eric Thomas, Tyrone Vaughan, Zeno to Tulane (Mack Brown coach)
Leroy Hoard from Aug to Michigan, Neil Smith from McDonough 35 to Nebraska, Michael Stonebreaker to Notre Dame, Brian Mitchell (I think that was his name) to USL,Gary Reasons to Northwestern (a little earlier) and a few big names to Northeastern
LSU was getting Toby Caston, Garry James, Dalton Hilliard, Michael Brooks, Sammy Martin, Roland Barbay, Tommy Clapp, Nacho Albergamo, Eric Andolsek so some pretty solid talent but could have been more if they had gotten half of the ones above.
Like someone said, hard to say without the national comparisons from services like Rivals but most above had pro careers
Posted on 7/26/12 at 8:23 pm to CharlesLSU
Sorry, that was a while ago. Guess I mixed em up. Anyways, he was a talented kid from that area who I thought was a sure thing. You didn't get all the info back then on where kids were visiting, who they liked, etc so you kind of figured Nola area kids would be at LSU.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 8:33 pm to BhamTigah
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San Diego St( Marshall Faulk),
Didn't we recruit him as a defensive back?
So did everyone else, why do you think he wound up at SDSU?
Hindsight is always 20/20.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 8:34 pm to jcfromno
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Tyrone Vaughan
Does anyone here remember the legendary game between Ehret and West Jeff (Gary James) at Memtas Stadium in about 1981.
I think the score was something like 46-45.
Only saw the highlights on television.
I remember Vaughan being one of the biggest high school legends ever.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 10:25 pm to willeteal
Absolutely,that game was legendary at the time. Both teams were ridiculously talented. West Jeff had Sean and Glenn Alexander along with Garry James and a lot of other talent. I don't know if I remember this correctly, but I think Ehret's QB was Tyrone something, so the headlines were often Tyrone to Tyrone.
Garry James was a legend since middle school ( I remember hearing he could dunk from free throw line in 8th grade - probably not true but those were the kinds of stories you would hear) and I think he had over 300 yards in that game. Tyrone Vaughan was the biggest high school football celebrity I can remember at the time. He was IT. Never really lived up to the hype at Tulane, but he ruled high school.
New Orleans was absolutely loaded with talent at the time and I think the rest of the state was strong as well. The Catholic League had probably 5 super strong teams and Ehret, McDonough 35 and West Jeff were monster teams. I think McDonough 35 had like 11 player sign D1 in 83. We played them and I swear Neil Smith jumped right over my head to get to our quarterback. I don't think he was even recruited by anyone big other than Nebraska but he had some all-pro years in NFL and might be in the hall - not sure.
Garry James was a legend since middle school ( I remember hearing he could dunk from free throw line in 8th grade - probably not true but those were the kinds of stories you would hear) and I think he had over 300 yards in that game. Tyrone Vaughan was the biggest high school football celebrity I can remember at the time. He was IT. Never really lived up to the hype at Tulane, but he ruled high school.
New Orleans was absolutely loaded with talent at the time and I think the rest of the state was strong as well. The Catholic League had probably 5 super strong teams and Ehret, McDonough 35 and West Jeff were monster teams. I think McDonough 35 had like 11 player sign D1 in 83. We played them and I swear Neil Smith jumped right over my head to get to our quarterback. I don't think he was even recruited by anyone big other than Nebraska but he had some all-pro years in NFL and might be in the hall - not sure.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 10:49 pm to willeteal
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Tyrone Vaughan
Does anyone here remember the legendary game between Ehret and West Jeff (Gary James) at Memtas Stadium in about 1981.
I think the score was something like 46-45.
Only saw the highlights on television.
I remember Vaughan being one of the biggest high school legends e
Yep... TV was in a class by himself then. Funny thing if a player at another school comes clean a week earlier.. Ehret is never in the playoffs that year.
several people over the years said TV was too old to play his sr year hence the name change before.Tyrone Vaughn became Vaughans.. yes he could certainly dunk in the 9th and 10th grade.. not sure about 8th.
46-45 was the score.
This post was edited on 7/26/12 at 10:52 pm
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