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re: "in-state coaches driving recruits away from LSU and towards Bama"?
Posted on 7/9/12 at 1:15 pm to GFunk
Posted on 7/9/12 at 1:15 pm to GFunk
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Spoke with an assistant coach type Friday Night who shed some interesting light on the whole Landon Collins deal for me.
Weird how losing some recruiting battles will win you respect in the same circles that pushed kids elsewhere. At least to hear some tell it.
You mind posting what he told you?
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Posted on 7/9/12 at 1:34 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Bama players are no better prepared for the NFL than kids from any of the BCS schools.
Most, if not all scouts would disagree with that..but It's a topic for the SEC rant so i'll leave it at that. Maybe you were using hyperbole?
Posted on 7/9/12 at 3:18 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Most, if not all scouts would disagree with that..but It's a topic for the SEC rant so i'll leave it at that. Maybe you were using hyperbole
No I'm not using hyperbole, but you are. I know for a fact not all scouts agree right off the bat. Its more like a cliche that some believe, but its not backed up by anything like evidence. In fact its basically a meaningless statement. How exactly are Bama players better prepared for the NFL than LSU or Florida, or Michigan players? What advantage does it give them at the next level? Players coached by Saban do not do any better (or worse) than players from pretty much any big BCS program, that's just a fact. Alabama has had more guys drafted in the 1st round the last couple of years, because they've had more good players.
I'm not surpriseed however, that a Bama fan would want to twist it to make it sound like a knock on Saban, which its not.
This post was edited on 7/9/12 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 7/9/12 at 3:28 pm to H-Town Tiger
You 're right to call this out as a myth.
YOu might find a coach here or there who subscribes to the myth but it is not "common wisdom".
YOu might find a coach here or there who subscribes to the myth but it is not "common wisdom".
Posted on 7/9/12 at 3:42 pm to H-Town Tiger
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How exactly are Bama players better prepared for the NFL than LSU or Florida, or Michigan players? What advantage does it give them at the next level?
They are introduced to an NFL scheme in college, defensively anyways. They are as multiple as anyone and change plays on the fly as much as anyone. I didn't say alabama better prepares them than lsu, although that's debateable...but to say alabama doesn't offer an advantage compared to any other BCS school is just wrong. I've heard numerous scouts say that playing for saban helps the alabama defenders transition to the league easier, I've never heard them say it hurt, and never heard them go out of the way to mention that about other schools.
You used Kareem Jackson as an example, but the last time I checked he was starting for one the best defenses in the league. I don't think bama players are any more prepared physically or athletically than kids from other schools, but they are subjected to a larger defensive playbook in college. In the long run, it doesn't make much of a difference, but in year one and year two I think the bama guys are further along compared to other rookies. Most scouts do agree with that
Posted on 7/9/12 at 3:50 pm to atlee
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Saia would love for all of his kids to go to LSU but has nothing to do with Landon going to Bama. Landon did that all on his own.
If you believe this statement you are a mooron.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 4:13 pm to Football91
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you are a mooron.
Your Bammer edumacation is showing.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 4:14 pm to KennesawTiger
well this thread looks awesome.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 4:19 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Most, if not all scouts would disagree with that..but It's a topic for the SEC rant so i'll leave it at that. Maybe you were using hyperbole?
Google what Cincinnati's coaching staff had to say about Dreswag. I'll wait......
Posted on 7/9/12 at 4:21 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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I've heard numerous scouts say that playing for saban helps the alabama defenders transition to the league easier
Also google McClain's transition in Oakland.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 4:40 pm to Tigerdew
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Also google McClain's transition in Oakland.
He's been a starter from day one and a top 3 tackler on the team every year, try to find a better example.
As far as kirkpatrick goes...the bengals watched plenty of film on him, so they knew he wasn't asked to play press man a lot in college. Knowing that, they spent a 1st round pick on him. They must have seen something they liked.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 10:47 pm to gotygers
Considering Crutchfield has been at Port Sulphur and South Plaquemines, I don't think he has been sending too many players to LSU anyway. I don't like the dude cause he's a fricking prick, I hope he fails at St. Aug
Posted on 7/9/12 at 11:08 pm to Enfuego
One position LSU doesn't ever need to worry about losing recruits in is RB, they are a dime a dozen and unless you are Kevin Faulk on steroids you aren't getting max carries anyway. Losing Joe McKnight didn't hurt us one bit.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 11:23 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Bama players are no better prepared for the NFL than kids from any of the BCS schools.
Maybe they get more practice in filling out deposit slips down at the CU. That probably helps them.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 11:46 pm to Elleshoe
quote:name a jc player that came to lsu that was worth a frick,and compared to the last couple of kickers we have had cris jackson was just average at best.
start naming the ones we offered and didn't sign. Robbie Green? No LSU offer... Tank English? No LSU offer
Posted on 7/9/12 at 11:50 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:yea and the bengals have been spot on with their top draft picks throughout history.
As far as kirkpatrick goes...the bengals watched plenty of film on him, so they knew he wasn't asked to play press man a lot in college. Knowing that, they spent a 1st round pick on him. They must have seen something they liked
Posted on 7/11/12 at 3:27 pm to tigerswin03
Not to start trouble, but I wonder what a mess it would be if the University of Alabama and its coaching staff was found guilty of making payments to HS coaches and players. Not that it doesn't happen at some places.
It just seems like Nick Saban is a God at Alabama but besides winning one NC at LSU, he seems to win more games now with lesser effort. Just wondering if the Alabama politicians and the privileged alum are greasing some palms ?
It just seems like Nick Saban is a God at Alabama but besides winning one NC at LSU, he seems to win more games now with lesser effort. Just wondering if the Alabama politicians and the privileged alum are greasing some palms ?
Posted on 7/11/12 at 3:37 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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He's been a starter from day one and a top 3 tackler on the team every year, try to find a better example.
That's more of a testament to how bad Oakland is. Just google it. He gets words used to describe his play like mediocre, disappointing, overrated, etc.
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As far as kirkpatrick goes...the bengals watched plenty of film on him, so they knew he wasn't asked to play press man a lot in college. Knowing that, they spent a 1st round pick on him. They must have seen something they liked.
Cincy might be the only team to historically out-stupid themselves on draftees. Posted on 7/11/12 at 4:12 pm to Tigerdew
Yes, Saban is the only college coach with a pro football backgroud. For one, Kiffen Sr. at USC has him beat by yrs. So, don't claim that as a factor. He is a good defensive coach, hands down. But it is not his pro background that makes it so. Every BCS team has a former pro coach at some position or another. Does the name Brick Haley ring a bell?
Posted on 7/11/12 at 4:49 pm to Keltic Tiger
It's a myth that Nick prepares his player more for the NFL. As good as he is it still takes special talent to make the jump up to the NFL.
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