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Posted on 6/3/12 at 9:39 pm to
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 6/3/12 at 9:39 pm to
quote:

Clarence Goodson does.
And Grant Wahl agrees with me ;)


Wahl lost his credibility after the Scotland match.
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19555 posts
Posted on 6/3/12 at 9:52 pm to
quote:

Haha, which assistant coach was smoking? I missed that.


It looked to me like Vazquez was putting colored (:noracist:) markers in a box, not getting cigarettes out of a pack.
Posted by Meursault
Nashville
Member since Sep 2003
25172 posts
Posted on 6/3/12 at 10:53 pm to
quote:

Wahl lost his credibility after the Scotland match.


What did he say? I was too busy getting shite faced to read his post game comments.
Posted by AUin02
Member since Jan 2012
4283 posts
Posted on 6/3/12 at 10:59 pm to
ugh, I feel more depressed after this game than I did after the Brazil game. This was snooze soccer for way too much of the match. Bradley can't play back like that, we need his passing on the attack. He was so deep I sometimes thought he was a center back on the back passes.

At least Goodson looked solid, hope Johnson isn't hurt for long, we need him to make the D line an asset.
Posted by Meursault
Nashville
Member since Sep 2003
25172 posts
Posted on 6/3/12 at 11:08 pm to
quote:

ugh, I feel more depressed after this game than I did after the Brazil game.


Meh, I've learned not to get emotionally wrapped up in friendlies. Had this been a WC qualifier I probably would be throwing objects in my house.
Posted by Harry Pitts
Salt Lake City
Member since Jul 2011
1279 posts
Posted on 6/3/12 at 11:10 pm to
This
Posted by Keys Open Doors
In hiding with Tupac & XXXTentacion
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31995 posts
Posted on 6/3/12 at 11:58 pm to
The one positive is that Goodsen looked better than Onyewu so at least for the short term, we have a somewhat feasible option to partner with Bocanegra against teams in CONCACAF not named Mexico.

But if we want to beat Mexico and not rely on luck to get out of the group stages in Brazil, we will need at least one of our young guys to step up in a major way.
Posted by UASports23
Member since Nov 2009
24354 posts
Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:33 am to
My opinions:

We played decently. Not what everyone hoped but we controlled the ball like we wanted to do. 60+% possession. 8 corner kicks to 3. We also out shot and had more shots on goal against Canada.


What killed us is passing and first touches in the final third. Michael Bradley once again put in good performance but wasn't used properly. I felt that he was too deep. The past few games Edu was the CDM and played deep for the US. Letting Bradley roam more. He wasn't up top. Dempsey and Donovan hasn't played together in what a YEAR ? They haven't played together since Gold Cup, I don't think. That partnership is going to be rusty. Dempsey hasn't played a game since a week before the EPL season ended. Sure he played 45 minutes against Brazil but c'mon.

Then throw in the fact that the US hasn't gotten a lot of practice time this week due to travel and rainy conditions all week in Toronto. They had to run treadmills and bikes. Canada has been preparing for this game for a while now. This is their first game since February. Which is really weird, since their first World Cup Qualifying game is June 8th, the same day the US plays Antigua n Barbuda.

As far as Castillo goes. Castillo isn't a good LB option, and to leave Lichaj off the roster is absolutely dumbfounding. ESPECIALLY, when Jurgen cites "lack of experience". I don't even know if Castillo would have been used this entire camp if Fabian Johnson didn't come up limp. He had a wonder goal-esque type strike but that doesn't deserve him a pass off his bad performance.

I thought Jermaine Jones showed more enthusiasm than anyone tonight. He had a good showing. Later in the game, he tried to force balls and tried to do way to much. But frick, at least he was trying. I can't get mad at him for that.


Today was just one of those days where you throw in a bunch of missing parts and it doesn't gel, for what ever reasons.

Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160111 posts
Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:45 am to
The formation just seems awkward and disjointed. We looked fine on the counter but when we held the ball, we had no real shape. I liked seeing JFT roam inside but we need more width than what we had.


I think to use our best players and maintain width we need to see a 4-3-3 again.


Dolo - Goodson - Boca - Fab

--------- Jones -----------------

----Bradley ------ Torres --------

Donovan -- Jozy --- Dempsey


But even with that formation, we still have Deuce and Landon wanting to cut inside so we need to have Fab and Dolo providing width on offense, that's really the difference maker here. With a dedicated defensive mid, that allows our two outside backs to make those runs forward to provide the width we desperately need.
Posted by UASports23
Member since Nov 2009
24354 posts
Posted on 6/4/12 at 1:01 am to
You know you have a problem when you have Landon Donovan, the most capped player on the squad, attempt to dump a pass off to Cherundolo who doesn't even expect the pass.


I've continually heard that Castillo and Torres work extremely well off of one another, but I have yet to see it. They must have Jordan Jefferson type practices.


Also, as far as width. We all knew this would be a problem when the roster first came out.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28073 posts
Posted on 6/4/12 at 4:36 am to
well how'd we do?
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28073 posts
Posted on 6/4/12 at 4:47 am to
nm
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20770 posts
Posted on 6/4/12 at 7:36 am to
Watched this while I watched the LSU game but still got to see most of it:

- Castillo sucks. I'm sorry. He does. He is a huge liability on the ball especially in our own third and he looks half retarded when trying to cross with his left foot. Towards the end of the game it looked like Dempsey was making an effort to not pass him the ball whenever possible. Canada had several good chances because he either turned it over or didnt close down his man quickly enough
- We just looked extremely out of sync on offense. The nice fluid play in the Scotland game gave way to long ball it seemed.
- Jozy finally got in but we barely got him involved. Disappointed with that
- I love Jones' intensity, but as several on here have said before, can we trust him in a WCQ with a central american ref?
- Didn't read the whole thread but is there a theory on what was called that disallowed the Cananda goal? I didnt have the sound on and didnt see anything for sure
- I thought Goodson played well for the most part. After these 3 games I would say he's our best option next to Boca at CB
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19555 posts
Posted on 6/4/12 at 7:39 am to
quote:

The one positive is that Goodsen looked better against Canada than Onyewu did against Brazil


FTFY

Let's try to keep some perspective. I thought Onyewu looked just fine against Canada, as did Goodson.


It's very possible that Goodson could have been exposed by Brazil just as Onyewu was.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
28601 posts
Posted on 6/4/12 at 9:00 am to
Yeah, I definitely noticed the long ball game. We were playing like a high school team. After the Scotland game, that was frustrating as hell to watch.
Posted by Crede15
Member since Jun 2009
17215 posts
Posted on 6/4/12 at 9:40 am to
Boca especially seems desperate to hoof it.

I like the idea of Torres in the middle too, but I just get the sense a lot of us are going to be hoping for that and it's not going to happen. Klinnsman just seems reluctant to play him in a central position in the 4-3-3.

Castillo is like our David Luiz but not as talented. Luiz from the end of last season, first half of this season would like clockwork do something stupid every game, but really Castillo did numerous fricked up Luiz things. Terrifying player.
Posted by Joe Blow
Member since Nov 2007
2631 posts
Posted on 6/4/12 at 9:53 am to
quote:

Let's try to keep some perspective.


Let's do. I don't know why everyone is getting worried over this result. The US squad was tired, and the Canadians were fresh...and that's how both teams played. Frankly, the Mex/Bra result worries me a little more than this one.

If this hasn't been said, it needs to. The US support group chants/songs are extremely annoying. I love the enthusiasm that they bring, but come on. There's a huge difference between several thousand people singing/chanting together several times a game and a hundred or so guys belting out the same stuff over and over and over and over again. I'd much rather hear vuvuzelas in the background than that. The only thing I find worse are bass drums.
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14453 posts
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:32 am to
I honestly don't think Goodson would have fared as badly as Gooch did against Brazil. I think he's a bit more athletic, and can move. Gooch must be healthy, but it sure seems he's either still in recovery or he's ruined.

In my estimation, Goodson should be the default/starter at that position, now, with some healthy competition to push him. I think we need to remember, me included, that this was a friendly, and Klinsi was experimenting a bit.

I found the passing a bit too negative, U.S. was way too willing to send the ball back 3/4 of the field and more, all the way back to Timmy. Did this way too often.
Posted by Harry Pitts
Salt Lake City
Member since Jul 2011
1279 posts
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:56 am to
email the AO people, seriously...complaining about it on here isnt going to fix the problem (and I admit there is a problem), they had a contest a couple of months back to add more chants to their repertoire
Posted by Keys Open Doors
In hiding with Tupac & XXXTentacion
Member since Dec 2008
31995 posts
Posted on 6/4/12 at 2:34 pm to
quote:

I honestly don't think Goodson would have fared as badly as Gooch did against Brazil. I think he's a bit more athletic, and can move. Gooch must be healthy, but it sure seems he's either still in recovery or he's ruined.

In my estimation, Goodson should be the default/starter at that position, now, with some healthy competition to push him.

I found the passing a bit too negative, U.S. was way too willing to send the ball back 3/4 of the field and more, all the way back to Timmy. Did this way too often.


Agreed. Goodson has just been better than Onyewu. Onyewu was awful against Brazil, but some of that isn't even related to how good the Brazilians were. That clearance he blatantly fricked up could have happened against anyone. The ball came right to his foot, and he totally mishit it without anyone really pressuring him.

Now Brazil made us pay for it, but the initial play was a complete unforced error.

Goodson certainly wasn't exposed against the Italians back in February either.
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