re: Non-SEC fans, whats your opinion on SEC fans, and the SEC bias in general?

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Texas has been to more national title games in the past 7 years(lets just say decade) than 9/12 SEC schools

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So three separate SEC schools (who are all competing against each other mind you) have been to at least as many title games as Texas over that time span? All three have won more BCS titles than Texas too. Seems like an awful lot of SEC teams are playing at an elite level to me. Great example for your argument

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SEC tards are still fighting the Civil War while everyone else has long-since moved on.

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interesting how this mentality persists by some outside of the south. i'll admit you'll find someone like this occassionaly but it's not common at all.

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Until conference vs. conference nonsense ceases and they get back to hating their real rivals instead of imaginary Northern or West Coast teams they will never join the Union.

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this is pretty much a hilarious comment. sounds like you are the one still fighting the civil war. the south, on the whole, is a pretty unified place when it concerns football. and yes, it probably does stem from past events but you might want to consider other things than the civil war. basically, the national media virtually ignored the southern teams in the last half of the twentieth century; all we heard was ohio state this, michigan this, usc that, etc, etc. so the feelings of southern football conferences about the pac 10 and the big 10 are to be expected actually. payback is hell isn't it?

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the national media virtually ignored the southern teams in the last half of the twentieth century

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That's your perception. Every fanbase makes the complaint that everyone else is the media darling and the media shuns their team.

And honestly, other than Alabama what southern teams were all that from 1950-2000? There were some good times for programs but none had sustained success over a long period of time. Tenessee probably had the most.

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So what is the fricking point of sports fandom at all?

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The point is that it's silly to root for schools you have zero affiliation with. I can see the guy that grew up in Louisiana and his family is all LSU fans. What makes no sense is the same guy thumping his chest when a team from another state wins a championship.

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I have a lot of respect for the SEC. They are the standard right now and are forcing other conferences to have to raise their game to keep up. I also love the passion the fans have for CFB down there.

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It's all true. I love living in the South for a lot of reasons, but my favorite sport is college football, and if you're a college football fan (even of a hated team like USC) this is a really, really fun place to be. Every day at work I see LSU fans, Bama fans, Auburn fans, Gator fans and Dawg fans. Even a few Vols. They all love to talk CF.

It is also a lot of fun to go to games here. I go up to Auburn every now and again and this season I hope to take in my first game at Tiger Stadium to see how the UW Huskies fare against a NC contender before USC plays them.

I have always been treated well by the SEC fans (although there are one or two knuckleheads in every demographic) and if you ever get the chance to see SC play down here, you absolutely should.

The Trojans have never lost a game in the state of Alabama, and we are 4-0 against SEC teams since the millenium.

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t's kind of like a brotherhood. I beat up on my Lil brother all day, but I'll be damned if someone else does

Except, Alabama isn't your blood relative, they are your conference rival.
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I was about to post the same thing but you beat me to it. I hear that retarded argument all the time and its laughable.

To clarify my feelings on the issue, I'm never really happy when another SEC team wins the championship, because that means LSU didn't win it.

However, if an SEC team is in it (or in the other bowl games) I prefer they win it because it helps the conference, and thereby LSU (financially, at least).

Also, by SEC teams continuing to win, it helps LSU should they be in a situation in the future where perception of tougher opponents becomes a deciding factor.

Also, I do pull for LSU non-conference opponents to win because that also makes LSU look better.

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the national media virtually ignored the southern teams in the last half of the twentieth century

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and...I wonder why????

Most of the last half you were segregating yourself from the Union with better teams and black competition and playing your own little "whites only" circuit. You couldn't be taken seriously in comparing your "master race" teams - Jesse Owens shot down that supremacy argument 30 years earlier...we all knew teams with black players were better...why play ignorant, why would the National media reward all white SEC teams because they played themselves?

USC’s first All-American in 1925 was black, Bryce Taylor. UCLA featured a black athlete of the 1920s, Ralph Bunch

Jim Murray September 13, 1970 column - “Hatred Shut Out as Alabama Finally Joins the Union,” it read in part:

On a warm and sultry night when you could hear train whistles hooting through the piney woods half county away, the state of Alabama joined the Union. They ratified the Constitution, signed the Bill of Rights. They have struck the Stars and Bars. They now hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal in the eyes of the Creator.

Murray would go on to write that the previous time he had been in Alabama, the only black man in the stadium was carrying towels.

That's 1970 for GOD's SAKE! - 1970!

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That's 1970 for GOD's SAKE! - 1970!

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damnit, i went back too far. shot hell out of my arguement. is it too late to aver that the media virtually ignored us in the last quarter century?

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The only reason I cheer for the SEC in the BCSNC is to keep the perception as the big dog that needs to be knocked off which I could see possibly helping LSU to get in to the BCSNC over another team

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A lot of SEC fans use this as justification and I see where they are coming from, but I think its grossly over rated as a factor by SEC fans. Sort of a self fufilling factor if you will. A lot this stems from Auburn getting left out of the BCS CG in 2004 and a lot of SEC fans see that as a sign of "disrespect" to the SEC. But with 3 major undefeated teams, someone was going to get left out and Auburn was 3rd in the computers. Leaving them out is no worse than leaving USC or OU out. The fact that an SEC team won the BCS CG the year before did not help, nor should it since the title is for that year, not the one before. Also, while this is a crude measure, the overall winning % for the SEC in 2004 was the lowest since the conference expanded in 92. SEC fans like to use bowl records as a measure of conference might and in 2004 the SEC was 3-3. 6 teams in bowls was the fewest for the SEC since 97, the year before the BCS started and there were fewer bowls in 97 than 04. 2004 was a down year for the SEC, that along with a crap OOC hurt Auburn.

While SOS and conference affiliation help some, ultimately its about the individual team. I know a lot of SEC fans that think Florida crushing tOSU in 2006 helped LSU get in in 2007. I really don't think that was a factor. Its a coincidnce, nothing more. The biggest boast to LSU in 2007 was starting the season #2 and that was because LSU finished the 2006 season #3 and beating the crap out of ND, not because of what Florida did in the BCS CG. Texas started the 2005 season #2 despite OU losing the 2004 BCS CG 55-19. How other teams do in your conference in bowls has very little bearing on the overall perception of your team.

The other problem is, we are also talking about 2 different things, a macro and micro level. Overall the SEC is the best conference historically and despite what SEC fans think, the overwhelming majority thought that before 2006. That said, it doesn't mean the SEC will be the best conference every year necessarily. While it certainly has been the last several, it wasn't in the late 90's and early 2000's (Big 12 was) and that can change.

The big advantage the SEC has is there is a lot of talent in SEC states. Samll states like La, Ms and Al rank in the top 10-15 for producing NFL talent overall, higher on a per capita basis of course. With talent near by and schools spending money to recruit and develope the talent, the SEC will remain the best overall conference, even if someone from another conference wins the BCS CG. The only way and SEC won't make the 4 team playoff will be if 4 other BCS conference teams have better records. If an LSU has 0 or 1 loss, expect them to be in the playoff, so you can go ahead and root against Bama next time they make the BCS CG.