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Non Saints Fans: General Thoughts on Yesterday's Announcements
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:35 pm
Things I'm surprised about:
- I'm surprised Williams wasn't banned from football as he seemed to be the mastermind behind this
- I'm surprised no players (Vilma + Harper) were suspended; however, those could still be coming
- I'm surprised that Payton got a whole year. Thought he'd get around 10 games. He's the head man in charge, so I understand it.
- I'm really surprised more/higher draft picks weren't taken.
All in All, I think it was a pretty spot on punishment.
Saints' management basically payed players to intentionally injure opposing players. I don't see how Saints fans are bitching about Spygate when this is much much worse and more dangerous.
I don't see how Payton keeps his job? Thoughts on his future with the Saints?
Expected punishments for players?
- I'm surprised Williams wasn't banned from football as he seemed to be the mastermind behind this
- I'm surprised no players (Vilma + Harper) were suspended; however, those could still be coming
- I'm surprised that Payton got a whole year. Thought he'd get around 10 games. He's the head man in charge, so I understand it.
- I'm really surprised more/higher draft picks weren't taken.
All in All, I think it was a pretty spot on punishment.
Saints' management basically payed players to intentionally injure opposing players. I don't see how Saints fans are bitching about Spygate when this is much much worse and more dangerous.
I don't see how Payton keeps his job? Thoughts on his future with the Saints?
Expected punishments for players?
This post was edited on 3/22/12 at 12:58 pm
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Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:37 pm to bddwolfpack
I thought franchise as whole would be fined
6-8 games for Sean
A few player suspensions
Knew NFL would come down hard and make them the example but NFL came down with iron fist today, was actually worse than I assumed
6-8 games for Sean
A few player suspensions
Knew NFL would come down hard and make them the example but NFL came down with iron fist today, was actually worse than I assumed
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:38 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:
Saints' management basically payed players to intentionally injure opposing players.
Every team does this who cares
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:39 pm to bddwolfpack
its bullshite
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:39 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:
Non Saints Fans: Geneal Thoughts on Today's Announcements
I'm happy, but it should've been harsher.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:39 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:
I'm surprised Williams wasn't banned from football as he seemed to be the mastermind behind this
From the official NFL report over on Saints Talk, it basically says his reinstatement will be based upon his level of cooperation with the investigators.
My guess is this is just the beginning of it all.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:40 pm to bddwolfpack
My guess - what I think is reasonable in light of the evidence:
Williams: 2 seasons then seek reinstatement - probably would be blacklisted anyway
Payton: 8 games and $1MM fine
Loomis: 4 games and 25% of annual salary (whatever that is)
Vitt: 4 games & 25% of annual salary
Players: no specifics mentioned in report (except Vilma)
Vilma 8 games
Others 4 games
Team: $1MM and entire 2012 draft
Williams: 2 seasons then seek reinstatement - probably would be blacklisted anyway
Payton: 8 games and $1MM fine
Loomis: 4 games and 25% of annual salary (whatever that is)
Vitt: 4 games & 25% of annual salary
Players: no specifics mentioned in report (except Vilma)
Vilma 8 games
Others 4 games
Team: $1MM and entire 2012 draft
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:41 pm to bddwolfpack
My initial thoughts were that the punishment may have been too severe, but reading through the PDF, it's pretty damning. Not shocking why they came down like they did.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:42 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:
Saints' management basically payed players to intentionally injure opposing players. I don't see how Saints fans are bitching about Spygate when this is much much worse and more dangerous.
they weren't paid to injure players. They were paid if a player was injured within the context of the game.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:43 pm to bddwolfpack
The rational side of me thinks it was a little over the top and the Saints are being made an example of. The Falcons/Cowboys fan side of me is lapping up the taint tears.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:43 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:His ultimate fate is tbd. I think he might be done.
- I'm surprised Williams wasn't banned from football as he seemed to be the mastermind behind this
quote:TBD
I'm surprised no players (Vilma + Harper) weren't suspended; however, those could still be coming
quote:I agree. I thought 4-6 games. Upon reading the report, the full season is still a little surprising but much more understandable.
I'm surprised that Payton got a whole year.
quote:Two twos is not insignificant in the NFL.
I'm really surprised more/higher draft picks weren't taken.
quote:I don't have much of a problem with it, but i don't have any kind of rooting interest one way or the other. I can see why Saints fans would be caught off guard and pissed though.
All in All, I think it was a pretty spot on punishment.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:48 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:
I don't see how Payton keeps his job?
yes he keeps his job.
He should still be allowed with the team on draft day. That is ridiculous.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:49 pm to bddwolfpack
I think the suspensions + penalties were fair.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:49 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:
Things I'm surprised about:
- I'm surprised Williams wasn't banned from football as he seemed to be the mastermind behind this -----im sure he has coached his last game
--- I'm surprised no players (Vilma + Harper) were suspended; however, those could still be coming---- suspensions for players are on the way
- I'm surprised that Payton got a whole year. Thought he'd get around 10 games. He's the head man in charge, so I understand it.----- i was surprised at first until i read the whole pdf, they were given multiple chances to fix this and they just overlooked it, after reading the saints coaches are just dumb and deserve it.
- I'm really surprised more/higher draft picks weren't taken. -------They didn't have any this year, so taking a 2nd rd pick this yr now the saints dont have a pick til 3rd round
All in All, I think it was a pretty spot on punishment. ----yep i agree
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:57 pm to bddwolfpack
When you bald-face lie to The Man, The Man comes down like a ton of bricks.
Just ask Mike Vick.
Just ask Mike Vick.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:59 pm to bddwolfpack
I thought it was a little harsh but when the NFL tells you to stop and you ignore them, you're going to get popped.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 1:59 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:
I don't see how Saints fans are bitching about Spygate when this is much much worse and more dangerous.
Sorry...but fans, the economy and Vegas care about the bottom-line = winning games. The integrity of the playing field and therefore outcome of sporting events is more important than players getting injured.
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:00 pm to bddwolfpack
quote:To say if I agree or disagree, is filming opposing teams to steal their signals against the rules?
I don't see how Saints fans are bitching about Spygate when this is much much worse and more dangerous.
If so, then I disagree b/c hard hits on players to injure them isn't against the rules.
If the question I asked is not against the rules, then I agree, we have no room to be pissed.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:01 pm to bddwolfpack
Its pretty shitty the Patriots should of been hit alot harder than this with their scandal. They took away a SB from the Raiders and had a new tuck rule in place frick the pats.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:05 pm to bddwolfpack
I feel like the punishment fits the crime.
As the league moves towards "player safety" as whole you have an organization that is promoting the polar opposite in spite of warnings by the NFL about the Bounty issue on a number of occasions.
I'm a Rams fan and we are losing Williams because of this but I still think it was a good call and sends as stern a message about player safety just like the new suspensions being giving to players who violate the new policies of the league.
As the league moves towards "player safety" as whole you have an organization that is promoting the polar opposite in spite of warnings by the NFL about the Bounty issue on a number of occasions.
I'm a Rams fan and we are losing Williams because of this but I still think it was a good call and sends as stern a message about player safety just like the new suspensions being giving to players who violate the new policies of the league.
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