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re: The LesBechler Theory
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:13 am to EarthwormJim
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:13 am to EarthwormJim
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How exactly is Les' personal scheme of power running and great defense any different than the Saban default scheme of power running and great defense?
just read the OP and was actually gonna post this same thing. seems like a winning formula.
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Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:21 am to tiger88
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Saban's LSU program had serious momentum by the time he left for Miami.
wrong. they had just lost a bowl game on a last minute hail mary and Saban pretty much screwed us in recruiting that year
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LM could afford to abandon the idea of maintaining or improving, and do what he wanted, leave his mark, his legacy. Like accomplished and wealthy actors who no longer have to take any role, but can choose the ones THEY want, or heck, produce and direct the whole thing.
is there something wrong with this? i don't get it. Doesn't every coach want to have a legacy? Miles' legacy thus far is being the winningest coach in the programs history.
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he (*LM) decided to liquidate some equity; trade default scheme for personal scheme. Trade post-Saban collection of philosophies for a unified all *LM philosophy
so?
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-70% focus on defense, strong, fast, disciplined
-Trench Warfare Offensive (TWO) line in front of a stable of cycled backs that assault like battering rams. (Forward passes rarely if ever needed; horizonal ones intermixed with the option is all this scheme needs)
-QB coordinates the TWO
true...depending on what kind of QB he has. and by "what kind" i mean good or mediocre.
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*LM is trying to install a very personal scheme, as conjectured above. This would explain the decisions made mid-season on the QB, the direction of the game plans, and the result in the BCS game.
Miles installs a scheme around the play of his QBs...like most coaches. its really not that hard to understand
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LM seasons 1-4 bowl games : 4 wins 0 loses
LM seasons 5-7 bowl games: 1 win 2 loses
ok
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The question for me: will he continue with the LesBechler next season?
I hope not.
he just went 13-1, won the SEC West, and won the SEC championship. what would you like him to change?
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 8:22 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:22 am to M. A. Ryland
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LM with JJ as QB in bowl: 2-2
LM with anyone else: 3-0
it could be telling. JJ was an integral feature of *LM's Lesbechler scheming, which was fully unveiled in the GA game. JL kneeling it on the last play was some kind of odd, Masonic-like ritual of sacrifice to the boring football gods, forever banishing the schemes that value the efficacy of the forward pass.
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 8:24 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:24 am to tiger88
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it could be telling. JJ was an integral feature of *LM's Lesbechler scheming, which was fully unveiled in the GA game. JL kneeling it on the last play was some kind of odd, Masonic-like ritual of sacrifice to the boring football gods, forever banishing the schemes that values and appreciates the forward pass.
you're trying too hard
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:25 am to ATLTiger
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How exactly is Les' personal scheme of power running and great defense any different than the Saban default scheme of power running and great defense?
just read the OP and was actually gonna post this same thing. seems like a winning formula.
Exactly. OP acts like controlling the clock by being able to run the ball, great defense and special teams, and taking advantage of field position isn't something that can be successful. It's pretty much the Saban and NFL blueprint...unless you have a QB named Brees, Brady, Rogers, or Manning.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:30 am to DP40
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Hallman flat-lined the program?
Dude. Come on. Archer was a horrible hire, as was Hallman. Those 2 coaches put LSU in the suck hole in the 90's.
But if you want to be honest about LSU football, it goes back WAY before Archer and Hallman. Charlie McClendon is the reason LSU football was always mediocre. In his 18 years at LSU, he won the SEC 1x, finished 2nd 2x, 3rd 3x, and the rest of the time worse than that.
He played 2nd fiddle to Alabama (2-14) and barely stayed .500 with Ole Miss (9-8-1). He also struggled with Tennessee and Georgia.
He never finished a season ranked in the top 5, never won a national title, and finished 8 seasons unranked.
McClendon had tons of talented teams, alot of All-American's and he couldn't win. That spilled over into later hires like Stovall, Archer, and Hallman. That's the truth a lot of people don't want to hear.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:30 am to DanglingFury
Dinardo's bring back the magic was the spark to this golden age of lsu football. He may not have built the entire structure, but his ability to get people excited about LSU football and Death Valley again, including the high school kids of LA changed the game.
Saban took the spark and ignited itn creating the program you see today
Saban took the spark and ignited itn creating the program you see today
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:30 am to tiger88
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tiger88
Your opinions are so terrible and entertaining that finding out what the asterisk is for is sure to deliver.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:33 am to BeeFense5
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Your opinions are so terrible and entertaining that finding out what the asterisk is for is sure to deliver.
i don't think he'll ever say. he's probably thinking to himself "shite...i now realize the reason i put the asterisk is so gawd damn retarded its going to make me look even more like an idiot than i already do."
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:35 am to Lee Chatelain
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Dude. Come on. Archer was a horrible hire, as was Hallman. Those 2 coaches put LSU in the suck hole in the 90's.
But if you want to be honest about LSU football, it goes back WAY before Archer and Hallman. Charlie McClendon is the reason LSU football was always mediocre. In his 18 years at LSU, he won the SEC 1x, finished 2nd 2x, 3rd 3x, and the rest of the time worse than that.
He played 2nd fiddle to Alabama (2-14) and barely stayed .500 with Ole Miss (9-8-1). He also struggled with Tennessee and Georgia.
He never finished a season ranked in the top 5, never won a national title, and finished 8 seasons unranked.
McClendon had tons of talented teams, alot of All-American's and he couldn't win. That spilled over into later hires like Stovall, Archer, and Hallman. That's the truth a lot of people don't want to hear.
The unfettered truth.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:46 am to tiger88
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:50 am to donut
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So then you know that between 1958-1983 LSU was 194-87-10 I wouldn't say that is a weak foundation that Dinardo had to build. Dinardo finished the job Arnsparger had begun and Saban complete the job Dinardo couldn't finish.
LSU was 159-80-9 from Charlie Mac till the end of Stovall. Now read my previous post and you'll see that this record isn't that good.
LSU football history goes like this whether you want to admit it or not: this Paul Dietzel good, then HUGE GAP, Arnsparger on track, 10 year gap, Saban builds LSU...program sustained for now.
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 9:18 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:52 am to Lee Chatelain
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Saban builds LSU...program sustained for now.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:54 am to Choctaw
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Choctaw
What's so funny Homer? What in my last 2 posts is wrong? Please tell me!
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:57 am to Lee Chatelain
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What in my last 2 posts is wrong? Please tell me!
The fact that it has been 7 years since Saban and the program has had more success and won at a higher percentage since he left would mean that the lsu program is not only sustained but has been taken to a higher level since Saban has been here. That doesn't take away what he has done. He was great for lsu. But we have built on the success since he left. It isn't just "sustained".
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:59 am to Lee Chatelain
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LSU football history goes like whether you want to admit it or not: this Paul Dietzel good, then HUGE GAP, Arnsparger on track, 10 year gap, Saban builds LSU...program sustained for now.
You, I could have a beer with.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 9:00 am to Lee Chatelain
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What's so funny Homer? What in my last 2 posts is wrong? Please tell me!
1. Saban built LSU. LSU is #12 all-time in wins and #13 all-time in win %. Do you think that happened in the 5 years Saban was here? LSU was built a long time ago....not by someone who only lost less than 3 games once in his tenure here and decided to screw us in recruiting his last year.
2. i just thought that you added "for now" was amusing
Saban is a great coach...but he did not "build" LSU and the program is at a much higher level now than at any point while he was here.
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 9:03 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 9:08 am to Choctaw
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Saban is a great coach...but he did not "build" LSU and the program is at a much higher level now than at any point while he was here.
7 fricking years later. I love how the program is just "sustained for now" though. Chatelain needs to just stick to herp derping on the recruiting board.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 9:16 am to BeeFense5
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BeeFense5
The point is that Saban built it. Miles sustained it. Saying Saban built LSU has nothing to do with a love affair with him or anything else. It's the truth and something I can admit.
Saban's 5 years: 48-16 (had 2 seasons with the 11 game schedule instead of 12)
Miles's first 5: 51-16 (looks like he maintained things)
Miles has only won more games because he has been here longer. No one knows what would of happen had Saban stayed. LSU has been a top tier team the last 10 years. There is no where else to go, so technically Miles has done nothing to far exceed what's been built. Like I said before, he's maintained what's been started.
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 9:17 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 9:20 am to BeeFense5
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7 fricking years later. I love how the program is just "sustained for now" though.
Moron, LSU football isn't always going to be good. It will get bad again. It happens. It's called teams going through cycles!
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