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re: The LesBechler Theory
Posted on 1/19/12 at 11:02 pm to Roberteaux
Posted on 1/19/12 at 11:02 pm to Roberteaux
Since we going to Pre Archer Period why don't we go all the way back to C Mac or Dietzel? The end of The Archer Period and The Hallman Era pretty much left LSU in dire straights. Dinardo brought something back to LSU. Interest and Excitement from the majority. That's the foundation he was speaking of. Something solid to build on. That's when recruits started coming back (we had some but we began to get the kinds of recruits we were losing).
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Posted on 1/19/12 at 11:16 pm to tiger88
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The question for me: will he continue with the LesBechler next season?
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I hope not.
is 13-1 a problem? and in one sentence restate your theory
Posted on 1/19/12 at 11:24 pm to dke2
13-1 is agreat record if you enjoy losing the BCS championship game by not even trying to win it
Our players deserved a better effort and execution by their HC
I know I know the season is over and we should look to next year but for Les's sake he needs to be reminded that we lost the game because of his poor coaching effort for the BCS game
Our players deserved a better effort and execution by their HC
I know I know the season is over and we should look to next year but for Les's sake he needs to be reminded that we lost the game because of his poor coaching effort for the BCS game
Posted on 1/19/12 at 11:31 pm to 756
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13-1 is agreat record if you enjoy losing the BCS championship game by not even trying to win it
Other great coaches have shite the bed in championship games...Spurrier got destroyed in one, so did Stoops, a Heisman led Bobby Bowden offense was held to two points, Pete Carroll couldn't stop one guy and lost. It is possible for good coaches to lose big games.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 11:33 pm to DanglingFury
Never ever question the great one! It is forbidden! You will be called names and worse.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 11:38 pm to 756
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13-1 is agreat record if you enjoy losing the BCS championship game by not even trying to win it
Our players deserved a better effort and execution by their HC
I know I know the season is over and we should look to next year but for Les's sake he needs to be reminded that we lost the game because of his poor coaching effort for the BCS game
the question the OP asks has nothing to do with any of this. dude wants to know if the philosophy of a shut-down defense and a grind it out offense will continue.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 11:38 pm to dke2
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season will tell. But it appears to me that Les is 13-1 a problem? and in one sentence restate your theory.
per your request:
*LM is trying to install a very personal scheme, as conjectured above. This would explain the decisions made mid-season on the QB, the direction of the game plans, and the result in the BCS game.
Now, it's a theory is all. I could be wrong. Only next season may tell. *LM in the last two to three seasons, and particularly this last one, went to an overtly run-oriented offense (like the kind when he played at Michigan), when he had the talent for a more balanced (and arguably better) one. He was winning with it (run offense), so he stuck with it, and seemingly would rather (as the season closed) risk losing with it than abandoning it and winning, which actually would have had the odd blow-back effect of many fans saying: I told you so.
With each game played from mid-season onward and going with JJ, without really explaining why (other than the laughable: "gives us the best chance for success with loose feet/mobility") -- and which I theorize was to maintain his run offense scheme -- it became all the more impossible (in his mind I suppose) to change course, which would a) be what the fans wanted and b) make him look like he didn't know what he was doing.
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 7:55 am
Posted on 1/19/12 at 11:48 pm to tiger88
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I was there pre-Arnsparger. Don't try to teach me LSU history. You will get schooled, yes, but also embarrassed in the process.
So then you know that between 1958-1983 LSU was 194-87-10 I wouldn't say that is a weak foundation that Dinardo had to build. Dinardo finished the job Arnsparger had begun and Saban complete the job Dinardo couldn't finish.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 11:49 pm to 756
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Our players deserved a better effort and execution by their HC
hell, if JJ EXECUTED BETTER HIMSELF, LSU could have won
Posted on 1/19/12 at 11:51 pm to tiger88
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*LM is trying to install a very personal scheme
can you point me to a program where the head coach doesn't install his own philosophy. and in my opinion this style of football is a winner
Posted on 1/19/12 at 11:53 pm to donut
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So then you know that between 1958-1983 LSU was 194-87-10 I wouldn't say that is a weak foundation that Dinardo had to build. Dinardo finished the job Arnsparger had begun and Saban complete the job Dinardo couldn't finish.
This post was edited on 1/19/12 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 1/20/12 at 12:01 am to dke2
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can you point me to a program where the head coach doesn't install his own philosophy. and in my opinion this style of football is a winner
Installing a philosophy (or scheme) is not necessarily the problem, it's if it can work on the big stage (e.g. MNC). Also, it must be flexible (or run by a coach who is flexible), otherwise, you might get an outcome such as we all witnessed on Jan. 9th.
My opinion: *LM will not be successful staying with that scheme at LSU. Also, going undefeated only to lose the big dance in the way *LM lost (willful refusal to do the needed obvious) pretty much discounts the season to point of being forgettable.
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 12:09 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 12:16 am to tiger88
quote:it worked on nov 5. it worked against oregon, west virginia and every other team on the schedule. it worked for bear bryant, it worked for tom osborne, it worked for barry switzer, it worked for darrel royal.
Installing a philosophy (or scheme) is not necessarily the problem, it's if it can work on the big stage
Posted on 1/20/12 at 12:19 am to tiger88
This theory
Utter bullshite,
thanks
Utter bullshite,
thanks
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 12:23 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 12:32 am to ecb
Maybe we just need to treat TD like the *LM press conference. We are only allowed to say positive things. We cannot question *LM. Or we may lose our posting priveleges. Or worse yet, we may lose our jobs, homes,reputations and live in utter shame and destitution.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 12:33 am to ecb
Maybe we just need to treat TD like the *LM press conference. We are only allowed to say positive things. We cannot question *LM. Or we may lose our posting priveleges. Or worse yet, we may lose our jobs, homes,reputations and live in utter shame and destitution.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 1:54 am to tiger88
You don't think Dinardo picked up where Arnsparger and for that matter Archer left off. Hallman was an anomaly. He was the hot name at the time and LSU was hailed as making a great hire by many. It was his poor coaching at LSU that showed everyone how great Favre was at USM. When I say Dinardo finished what Arnsparger bagan I mean he got the program back to where it should be after the atrocious coaching of Hallman. No doubt LSU had talent when Dinardo came in.
I don't think you can argue that Saban would not have been able to achieve what he did in a short period of time at LSU without the work Dinardo did while he was here.
I don't think you can argue that Saban would not have been able to achieve what he did in a short period of time at LSU without the work Dinardo did while he was here.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 5:03 am to tiger88
quote:Is this a Bo reference?
LesBechler
If so, I see where you're going, but it took a while to figure out. It's kinda all over the place - a bit like the theory.
Try Leshembechler.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 5:31 am to tiger88
*LM??
Is this the new super diabolical internet geek way of disrespecting Miles by not recognizing him as a "Coach", even in initials.
Or is it just this one nerd's thing?
Is this the new super diabolical internet geek way of disrespecting Miles by not recognizing him as a "Coach", even in initials.
Or is it just this one nerd's thing?
Posted on 1/20/12 at 5:44 am to Tiger Voodoo
In 11 years of college coaching, there have only been four years where run plays were used more than 2/3 of the time throughout a season. Not coincidentally, those 4 seasons coincided with times when Les Miles was coaching a "run threat" QB - 2004 with Donovan Woods, and 2009-2011 with Jefferson. 2011 is a unique story, though -- people want to believe that when Lee was in we threw the ball all over the place. Not true. LSU ran the ball 591 times in 2011 -- the most since we ran the ball 612 times in 2007.
The difference? LSU was also able to pass in 2007, whereas in 2011 that was a highly limited part of the game.
I don't think anything should be read into this other than Les Miles' offensive philosophy seems to change depending on the type of QB he has as a "starter," and it is clear that he favored JJ as a starter since late 2008, even after being suspended this year. The philosophy has been different with different starters, like Josh Fields at OSU, JR and Matt Flynn at LSU.
In Miles' first three years at LSU, when he had quality passers as starters, LSU averaged over 3100 yds passing a year. In the last 4, when we mainly utilized a "running" QB, LSU averaged 2280 yds a year. That's fine in a year like 2011, when you also rush for 2800+ yds. That's NOT fine in 2009, when you only rush for 1600 (
).
The difference? LSU was also able to pass in 2007, whereas in 2011 that was a highly limited part of the game.
I don't think anything should be read into this other than Les Miles' offensive philosophy seems to change depending on the type of QB he has as a "starter," and it is clear that he favored JJ as a starter since late 2008, even after being suspended this year. The philosophy has been different with different starters, like Josh Fields at OSU, JR and Matt Flynn at LSU.
In Miles' first three years at LSU, when he had quality passers as starters, LSU averaged over 3100 yds passing a year. In the last 4, when we mainly utilized a "running" QB, LSU averaged 2280 yds a year. That's fine in a year like 2011, when you also rush for 2800+ yds. That's NOT fine in 2009, when you only rush for 1600 (
).
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