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Why do the teams other than Bama/Auburn/Tenn/UGA need permanent rival games?
Posted on 11/8/11 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 11/8/11 at 5:52 pm
Why not stick with 8-game conference schedule, and have the 10 other schools rotate their three cross-division games, and make Bama/Auburn/Tenn/UGA keep their permanent rivals and rotate their other two games.
I haven't figured out if this would work mathematically. But its worth exploring...the 10 schools that don't have a permanent rival would rotate teams more often. The four teams with the permanent rivals would get to keep their rival games and rotate the other teams less often.
Could this work?
I haven't figured out if this would work mathematically. But its worth exploring...the 10 schools that don't have a permanent rival would rotate teams more often. The four teams with the permanent rivals would get to keep their rival games and rotate the other teams less often.
Could this work?
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 6:15 pm to Chicken
I'm not doing the math either, but....
from the west perspective, wouldnt that make UGA & Tenn less "available" to us? Furthering the gap in time between home-&-home series?
I was also toying around with the notion of not assuming a home-&-home rotation. Perhaps (for example) if we played Kentucky at home this year, the reciprocal game there wouldnt be for another 3 or 4 years, thus increasing the frequency that we see more teams from the east division. Of course, I would be the first to admit it takes alot of the luster out of the possible "revenge" game.
from the west perspective, wouldnt that make UGA & Tenn less "available" to us? Furthering the gap in time between home-&-home series?
I was also toying around with the notion of not assuming a home-&-home rotation. Perhaps (for example) if we played Kentucky at home this year, the reciprocal game there wouldnt be for another 3 or 4 years, thus increasing the frequency that we see more teams from the east division. Of course, I would be the first to admit it takes alot of the luster out of the possible "revenge" game.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 6:24 pm to Uncle Stu
Stu, you are correct. We would not play UGA and Tenn as often but would get to play the other 5 SEC east teams more often.
Also, I have suggested in the past the idea of not doing home and home. That should also be on the table. Maybe a combination of the two.
Losing an OOC game for a 9th conference game sounds terrible.
Also, I have suggested in the past the idea of not doing home and home. That should also be on the table. Maybe a combination of the two.
Losing an OOC game for a 9th conference game sounds terrible.
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 11/8/11 at 6:32 pm to Uncle Stu
quote:- MrSEC.com
Slive is a sharp man. He knows that the SEC would suffer if schools like Florida and Alabama, Georgia and LSU, Arkansas and Missouri see each other just once every 12 years. He’s no doubt formulated his plan. The presidents have an idea of what that plan is.
But the athletic directors haven’t had their meeting with the commish yet. When they do, we believe they’ll walk away with the knowledge that the SEC will be going to a nine-game schedule at some point in the not-so-distant future.
LINK
Posted on 11/8/11 at 6:33 pm to Chicken
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Losing an OOC game for a 9th conference game sounds terrible.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 6:38 pm to TigerintheNO
The Big12 and Pac12 play a 9 game conference schedule.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 7:24 pm to SunHog
Good for them.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:43 am to SunHog
quote:Rooty-fricking-toot for them.
The Big12 and Pac12 play a 9 game conference schedule.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:42 am to johnnydrama
The Big 12 does because they have 10 teams.
The Pac 12 is a little different because all of the California schools are required to play each other every year.
Stanford - UCLA and USC are permanent rivals
Cal - UCLA and USC are permanent rivals
UCLA - Cal and Stanford are permanent rivals
USC - Stanford and Cal are permanent rivals
That means that between 2011-2018, Cal and Stanford will play Arizona twice, Arizona State twice, Colorado twice, and Utah twice and UCLA and USC will play Oregon twice, Oregon State twice, Washington twice, and Washington State twice.
The Pac 12 is a little different because all of the California schools are required to play each other every year.
Stanford - UCLA and USC are permanent rivals
Cal - UCLA and USC are permanent rivals
UCLA - Cal and Stanford are permanent rivals
USC - Stanford and Cal are permanent rivals
That means that between 2011-2018, Cal and Stanford will play Arizona twice, Arizona State twice, Colorado twice, and Utah twice and UCLA and USC will play Oregon twice, Oregon State twice, Washington twice, and Washington State twice.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:07 am to Chicken
I have long been in favor of Chicken's idea, and see no reason why that should not be the end result. I would sure like to hear some explanation of why a hybrid system (preserving Bama-UT and Auburn-UGA while letting all other matchups rotate) would not work.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:14 am to SunHog
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The Big12 and Pac12 play a 9 game conference schedule.
And neither draws crowds like the SEC, I really don't see the SEC going to 9 games until a new TV deal is reached. If you are going to a 9th SEC game, schools are going to get paid for it.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:18 am to twk
Very interesting on making the "home and away" concept go away from consecutive years and making the teams play every other year. Definitely allows for more integration of the opposite division teams ...
Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:18 am to Chicken
i think that's a great idea. it may result in some lopsided schedules (difficulty wise) at times but hell, we have that now. what some forget is that not only does the 12 team format preserve the rivalries it does preserve some schools easier schedules; the big 6 play each other as permanents.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:26 am to Chicken
quote:
Losing an OOC game for a 9th conference game sounds terrible.
Playing Mizou > Playing northwestern state
Not playing home and homes sounds terrible to me.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:44 am to Chicken
quote:
I haven't figured out if this would work mathematically. But its worth exploring...the 10 schools that don't have a permanent rival would rotate teams more often. The four teams with the permanent rivals would get to keep their rival games and rotate the other teams less often.
Could this work?
Yes, sort of
There would be a bit of an unintended competitive issue that emerged.
Bama, Tenn, UGA, Auburn would not rotate among the other teams... removing 4 of the big 6 programs from teh rotating schedules would mean the remaining big 2 programs faced weaker rotating opponents on average (over say a ten year period)
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:29 pm to molsusports
I say we just make everyone rotate. It's unfair to the rest of the conference that the AU/UAt, AU/UGAy, and UAt/UT games have to be played.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:45 pm to molsusports
quote:sure, but that will be the price you pay for preserving your rival games. and it would be for the benefit of the conference overall.
There would be a bit of an unintended competitive issue that emerged.
Bama, Tenn, UGA, Auburn would not rotate among the other teams... removing 4 of the big 6 programs from teh rotating schedules would mean the remaining big 2 programs faced weaker rotating opponents on average (over say a ten year period)
I am sure there could be a way to stagger the games so that it was even over a long period.
For example, Georgia wouldn't play Auburn, Alabama and LSU from the West in the same year.
I think it is something that should be considered.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:08 pm to molsusports
If Bama, Aub, Uga, and Ten keep their rivalry games and no one else does. those 4 would still have 2 games versus random opponents that you rotate every 2 years. Its just the other 10 SEC teams would have 3 random opponents rotated every 2 years. LSU would still play UGa and TEN about as often as they do now, which is about twice every 6 years.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:17 pm to will0637
I like this kind of thinking. But I still believe the best would be to have a 2 year rotation (home and home), keep all key rivalries, and otherwise modify the divisions every 2 years based on records. Take into consideration how long its been since teams have played each other as a tertiary consideration.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:59 pm to Aux Arc
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wouldnt that make UGA & Tenn less "available" to us?
Compared to what we have currently, no. Because of the "traditional rival" thing, it currently takes longer for East teams to cycle back onto our schedule. With the approach that Chicken put out there, those two would stay as they are, but we would see the other teams more regularly because they wouldn't be locked up with their "traditional" rivals and LSU wouldn't have one of their East games taken up by Florida every year.
Also, keep home and home. No way we want to do a road trip to Florida or Georgia and not get a return.
And, if we drop the annual game against Florida, I would be happy with 9 conference games. I'd rather see that than, say, Western Kentucky. As long as LSU gets 6 homes, I'm good.
Oh, and screw any idea that involves NOT playing every team in the division.
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