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great article about future SEC Network
Posted on 9/28/11 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 9/28/11 at 1:18 pm
LINK
It really hits on all the things I have been screaming from the roof tops the last 2 weeks.
some highlights
It really hits on all the things I have been screaming from the roof tops the last 2 weeks.
some highlights
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There has been lots of media talk about markets and television footprints, but this makes less sense right now for the SEC. Why? Because the games are already nationally distributed on CBS and ESPN. Ratings may well increase now that a team from Texas -- and potentially Missouri -- is in the SEC, but the actual market availability doesn't change. If you wanted to watch the SEC game of the week in St. Louis, you already had CBS. Same with the night game on ESPN in Texas. Now you may watch more if teams from your states are in the conference, but the markets and television footprint argument makes more sense in the cable subscription context. Why? Because when you add a new market you get to increase the amount of subscription fee that you can charge cable operators to carry your network in those states. The more states you have teams in, the more money you make. As an example, the Big Ten Network makes around .90 cents per subscriber in the eight states where its teams are located. What does it make per subscriber in the other 42 states? Try .05 cents.
Given that most of the SEC states view college sports as the primary sporting focus -- unlike the Big Ten where pro sports still dominate -- the SEC per subscriber carriage fees would be higher.
So expanding into Texas and Missouri makes tens of millions -- if not hundreds of millions in the case of Texas -- of dollars and sense using the network model.
The SEC would be able to charge premium carriage rates in eleven states: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, and Texas.
Adding Missouri and Texas -- a combined population of 31 million -- would move the SEC's population footprint in its states from 50 million to 81 million.
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Mike Slive and other high-ranking SEC employees told me that the reason the league partnered with CBS and ESPN was because they believed it was less risky than starting their own network. In particular, Slive worried about the battles that might ensue to get cable carriers in the SEC footprint to carry the network. If those cable carriers were particularly difficult, he believed that SEC fans would be furious over not being able to watch their teams play and that fans would blame the SEC for being greedy.
"Estimates by SNL Kagan suggest the network will continue to be a boon for the Big Ten. By 2015, the BTN is projected to generate $333 million."
That's an insane growth rate.
Put simply, the Big Ten Network is kicking arse. And many of the issues that the SEC worried about materializing, haven't. So the Big Ten, which owns 51% of its network with Fox retaining 49%, has blazed the network trail. Mike Slive has told me that he hopes by the time the SEC's television contract comes up for rebid in 12 years that the SEC's own digital network is a competitor with ESPN, CBS, Fox, Comcast/NBC, and which ever other bidders are out there. But what if the SEC created its own actual network too? Wouldn't that strengthen the network's competitive hand even more?
Keep in mind that the SEC retains the copyright to all the archival footage created of its games. Can you imagine how popular an SEC Network would be in the South? Especially the on-demand function? Want to watch any game featuring your favorite team over the past several decades? Pick up the remote. Want to watch an SEC-centric pregame show that doesn't spend time on other conference games? Pick up the remote.
The sky is truly the limit with the SEC Network. (Right now ESPN uses the name SEC Network, but the league is just syndicating programming. There is no actual SEC Network. Indeed, there have been reports that the SEC doesn't have the right to create its own tier three national network under existing contracts. If true expect for that to be revised in renegotiations).
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Mike Slive cares deeply about the SEC's legacy. One of the reasons the SEC has been so successful is because of the equal revenue distribution model. But that model only exists for tier one and tier two rights. What if down the road a Florida or Alabama decided to create its own tier three national network like Texas has done? What if Florida had an individual deal with ESPN and wanted to show state of Florida high school highlights on its network?
You think that wouldn't piss off the rest of the SEC schools?
Slive has told me that the biggest threat to the SEC's future doesn't come from outside the conference, it comes from inside.
The Longhorn Network provided a scary future scenario for the SEC -- what if every big state team in the SEC did what Texas did with its tier three rights, sold their egalitarian soul for the most money it could?
The unique fabric of the SEC would be threatened.
The SEC can make sure a Texas problem never emerges in the league by selling tier three rights. Yep, in essence the SEC can protect itself by making more money.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 1:39 pm to lsu777
this article explains exactly why WVU should be a fall back option.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 1:46 pm to lsu777
Out Kick the Coverage articles are much better than many of the other sources of information (ESPN, Fox, etc.) These people actually think about what they write. While from a football perspective and national interest perspective (and my own perspective) it seems to make sense to push hard for a national player like FSU, they do a very good job of explaining why it about additional market viewers (i.e. Texas & KC/St. Louis) that will likely drive expansion.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 1:53 pm to lsu777
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this article explains exactly why WVU should NOT be an option.
FIFY
Posted on 9/28/11 at 2:00 pm to lsu777
Standing and applauding. 
This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 9/28/11 at 2:09 pm to General13
I think SEC fans would love a SEC Network. The BTN has been great to have the last few years. Progamming has improved every year and you can see your team play anywhere in the country even when they're playing cupcakes. It's understandable why Rutgers has been talked about in the Big Ten expansion plans.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 2:44 pm to mikeman1o
Would SEC fans care for a similar model to what the PAC-12 has done with Larry Scott? Perhaps a National SEC channel and more regional SEC East/SEC West channels?
Posted on 9/28/11 at 3:04 pm to NonregAg09
It seems like an SEC Network would be in conflict with schools that have sold their 3rd tier rights already. SunSports has contracted to show UF volleyball, baseball, soccer, etc. It shows replays of football a couple times a week. It gets the coach's show. Other SEC schools have these deals as well.
This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 9/28/11 at 3:24 pm to bgator85
The big ten network is awesome. On sunday morning you can watch a one-hour highlights show which is being replayed from Saturday night. Plus you get coaches shows and a show every night devote to the big ten.
I would glady pay extra to get a SEC network on my cable.
I would glady pay extra to get a SEC network on my cable.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 3:26 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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I would glady pay extra to get a SEC network on my cable.
Same here.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 3:29 pm to bgator85
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conflict with schools that have sold their 3rd tier rights already
Texas had already sold theirs which is why a chunk of the 300 mill goes to their original rights holders.
In all honesty, those Tier 3 contracts could be bought out.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 3:44 pm to lsu777
Good article, but I think he has one factual error: Florida received $10 million for it's third tier rights from IMG. These rights include not only the football and basketball games that are sold to the Sunshine Network, but radio, in game advertising, sponsorships, and other rights. IMG had a similar contract with Texas, and that is why, if you will read the contract between Texas and ESPN creating the LHN, you will see that it is actually IMG, rather than Texas, that assigns the right to televise the games, since Texas had already sold those rights to IMG. What did IMG get for selling those rights to ESPN? About $2 million per year. That should tell you how much the TV portion of those third tier rights are worth standing alone--IMG was willling to give up that portion of its 3rd tier contract with Texas in exchange for a payment of $2 million annually. (Texas not only gets the LHN money, they still get the $9 or $10 million from IMG.)
Yet, if, instead of trying to sell those rights to a third party, you assign them to the conference and sell all those rights as a package, I think that each team will be able to realize at least the $8 or $9 million per year that Big Ten teams are getting right now and probably more than that. If you get over $10 million, you'll be very close to what the Horns are getting. Now, it will take some time because every school will have to negotiate a deal with their current 3rd tier rights holder in order to get those rights back, but, I fully expect it to be done once the conference gets to 14.
Yet, if, instead of trying to sell those rights to a third party, you assign them to the conference and sell all those rights as a package, I think that each team will be able to realize at least the $8 or $9 million per year that Big Ten teams are getting right now and probably more than that. If you get over $10 million, you'll be very close to what the Horns are getting. Now, it will take some time because every school will have to negotiate a deal with their current 3rd tier rights holder in order to get those rights back, but, I fully expect it to be done once the conference gets to 14.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 4:06 pm to twk
yeah he says in the article he thinks sec could get 12 mill per school. Might get more after 5-10 years.
it really is a great article. He does a lot better job explaining it then I could. I'm sure it will be ignored though by those that want wvu or fsu.
it really is a great article. He does a lot better job explaining it then I could. I'm sure it will be ignored though by those that want wvu or fsu.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 4:07 pm to lsu777
Thanks for those links. Great articles that I'd not read before. The statements on expansion and timing of those statements make much more sense now.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 4:24 pm to lsu777
lsu777, you have done a great job of highlighting the impetus behind the SEC expansion. You have made me look at this issue with a more practical view.
Thanks for your posts.
Thanks for your posts.
This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 9/28/11 at 4:27 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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The big ten network is awesome. On sunday morning you can watch a one-hour highlights show which is being replayed from Saturday night. Plus you get coaches shows and a show every night devote to the big ten.
I would glady pay extra to get a SEC network on my cable.
Hell yeah. I watched the B10 Network a lot during the offseason.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 4:35 pm to lsu777
Sooo, Missouri would have 12 years to get acclimated to losing in the SEC before we can expect the population of a state that prefers NFL football to demand the SEC subscription network? Ok, cool.
This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 9/28/11 at 7:07 pm to bgtiger
quote:No, that's not what they are saying. 12 years from now, when the CBS and ESPN contracts are up, the SEC Network might be a big enough player that it will make the league more money to have Tier 2 games (second choice after CBS) on the SEC Network rather than to sell those rights to ESPN. A conference network allows the conferenced to cut out the middleman between the conference and the cable distributors.
Sooo, Missouri would have 12 years to get acclimated to losing in the SEC before we can expect the population of a state that prefers NFL football to demand the SEC subscription network? Ok, cool.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 7:56 pm to bgtiger
would lose no more then wvu. Your love for WVU shows no bounds. You no reason to like them over UM. At least my opinion is based on something.
either that or you are short sighted as hell. I can't believe that was your rebuttal to an extremely well written and intelligent article based on things that mike slive has said personally to the writer.
I can respect others that base their opinion on wvu on tangible things, but you have yet to show you are capable of that
either that or you are short sighted as hell. I can't believe that was your rebuttal to an extremely well written and intelligent article based on things that mike slive has said personally to the writer.
I can respect others that base their opinion on wvu on tangible things, but you have yet to show you are capable of that
Posted on 9/28/11 at 8:08 pm to lsu777
lsu777, thank you for bringing logic and facts to these conference expansion threads over the past couple weeks. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts and watching you show up people who refuse to see the facts 
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