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I don't think the Pac-12 would take OU without Texas
Posted on 9/14/11 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 9:52 pm
Larry Scott has already stated that they are completely content on having 12 teams. The AD's in the Pac-12 don't want to add anybody either. It wouldn't make sense to add OU and OSU to make it 14, giving the new conference an odd set of pairs (UW-WSU, OU-OSU, etc). They could switch to a zipper alignment, but then OU and OSU are traveling to the west coast for a majority of their games.
I don't think that Larry Scott could turn it down if Texas joined though (assuming they are willing to cooperate with the LHN). Adding Texas and Oklahoma to the conference would increase the value and perception of the conference a lot. Adding Texas, TT, OU, and OSU would make the 2, 8 team conference thing work really well too, reuniting the old Pac-8 conference.
I don't think that Larry Scott could turn it down if Texas joined though (assuming they are willing to cooperate with the LHN). Adding Texas and Oklahoma to the conference would increase the value and perception of the conference a lot. Adding Texas, TT, OU, and OSU would make the 2, 8 team conference thing work really well too, reuniting the old Pac-8 conference.
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Posted on 9/14/11 at 9:58 pm to TDawg1313
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I don't think the Pac-12 would take OU without Texas
Baby steps. Taking in OU+OSU= breaking up the "Big" 12(-5).
Texas may have no where else to go.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 10:01 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Y'all are going to see some shite go down in the next 5-7 days
Posted on 9/14/11 at 10:02 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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Baby steps. Taking in OU+OSU= breaking up the "Big" 12(-5).
Texas may have no where else to go.
That's what I think OU is hoping to do; force Texas to come to the Pac-12 with them where everybody is on the equal revenue sharing plan. I just don't think Larry Scott would take them unless Texas agrees to come as well.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 10:02 pm to TDawg1313
even if that were the case, they are at an impasse, and a big one at that.
-The PAC12 will not, under any circumstance, accept the LHN as it is framed today
-UT will not, under any circumstances, agree to modify, change, or adapt any sliver of the LHN
they're both dug in, and neither seems likely to change their position anytime now or in the future
-The PAC12 will not, under any circumstance, accept the LHN as it is framed today
-UT will not, under any circumstances, agree to modify, change, or adapt any sliver of the LHN
they're both dug in, and neither seems likely to change their position anytime now or in the future
Posted on 9/14/11 at 10:07 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Larry Scott made them more money than they ever dreamed possible with the new TV contract. Scott took a league that was way behind the curve and brought it to the cutting edge in very short order. If he tells his members that grabbing OU and OSU is the thing to do, they will probably do it.
While the Pac 12 has a nice TV deal already, it could be even better with four central time zone schools that would play 11 a.m. Central time football games, and 7 p.m. Central basketball games on the new Pac 12 network. More teams also means more inventory of live events for the network. That's why I think they will go ahead and bite the bullet to go to 16 as long as they are satisfied with school 16. If Scott is willing to play poker like he did last summer, admitting Colorado unconditionally when that was not his real target (but was necessary in order to avoid getting stuck with a certain Baptist school situated along I-35), then I could see him offering the Oklhaoma schools and Tech, and telling Texas that they either come now, on the Pac 12's terms (no LHN), or never. If the Horns say yes, Scott ends up with almost the package that he thought he had last year (subbing Utah for A&M), and if they say no, he can pick up another central time zone school from the ruins of the Big XII in order to create a Central time zone pod of four schools.
While the Pac 12 has a nice TV deal already, it could be even better with four central time zone schools that would play 11 a.m. Central time football games, and 7 p.m. Central basketball games on the new Pac 12 network. More teams also means more inventory of live events for the network. That's why I think they will go ahead and bite the bullet to go to 16 as long as they are satisfied with school 16. If Scott is willing to play poker like he did last summer, admitting Colorado unconditionally when that was not his real target (but was necessary in order to avoid getting stuck with a certain Baptist school situated along I-35), then I could see him offering the Oklhaoma schools and Tech, and telling Texas that they either come now, on the Pac 12's terms (no LHN), or never. If the Horns say yes, Scott ends up with almost the package that he thought he had last year (subbing Utah for A&M), and if they say no, he can pick up another central time zone school from the ruins of the Big XII in order to create a Central time zone pod of four schools.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 10:23 pm to twk
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If the Horns say yes, Scott ends up with almost the package that he thought he had last year (subbing Utah for A&M), and if they say no, he can pick up another central time zone school from the ruins of the Big XII in order to create a Central time zone pod of four schools.
This would definitely be a situation where OU and OSU come without Texas. Instead of the two Texas schools, I could see Larry Scott going after Missouri and Kansas or something.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 10:28 pm to TDawg1313
Screw Texas.
Add BYU, OU, OSU & Texas Tech.
Add BYU, OU, OSU & Texas Tech.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 10:30 pm to TDawg1313
I do not see Scott or anybody letting Texas have the LHN, so I do not see them joining. As for OU, OSU, TT, and others, I am not sure. I think they want to see how the PAC 12 before they start adding to it.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 10:55 pm to pdxlsufan
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BYU
Would be a nice get, but the bigots in the Cal and Stanford administrations will veto any religious school that applies for membership.
So they'd have to get the rest of the schools to pull out and form their own conference, then find two replacements for Cal & Stanford. Or form their new conference and see if those two stand on principle or come crawling back.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 12:12 am to Bestbank Tiger
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I don't think the Pac-12 would take OU without Texas
The Pac1X took Colorado and Utah. you don't think they'll take OU and OSU alone?
Posted on 9/15/11 at 12:26 am to Jwho77
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The Pac1X took Colorado and Utah. you don't think they'll take OU and OSU alone?
Those two always wanted to be a part of the Pac and it made sense culturally and geograhically...it was a natural addition and not just for expansion purposes. Oklahoma...they having nothing in common with the West Coast.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 12:43 am to Zamoro10
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Those two always wanted to be a part of the Pac and it made sense culturally and geograhically...it was a natural addition and not just for expansion purposes. Oklahoma...they having nothing in common with the West Coast.
The expansion to 12 was about money. Further expansion by adding a football power like OU would also be about money.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 1:45 am to Bestbank Tiger
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BYU
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Would be a nice get, but the bigots in the Cal and Stanford administrations will veto any religious school that applies for membership
The other problem with BYU is scheduling, they will not play on sundays. So while football is virtually unaffected, all the other sports have to deal with the scheduling headaches.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 1:48 am to twk
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If he tells his members that grabbing OU and OSU is the thing to do, they will probably do it.
It would be ridiculous not to take those two schools. The PAC10/12 didn't do itself a lot of favors picking CU and Utah and no one else, but you can't turn down OU and Ok. St.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 5:59 am to TDawg1313
I don't know the numbers, but I suspect that once you get to 12 with a new media contract, it's hard to add teams without diluting the per team payout. OU would probably be justified; they may even make more money considering their national profile. However, the problem is OSU. Can OSU + OU generate enough to avoid dilution? Doubtful. Having that albatross tied around their neck is going to limit OU's options without TX.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 8:30 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The PAC10/12 didn't do itself a lot of favors picking CU and Utah and no one else, but you can't turn down OU and Ok. St.
I disagree completely with your statement.
Adding those 2 teams gave them 12 teams which meant championship game, and new TV contract. The new TV deal ($3 billion) tripled the current deal. They added two new markets (both in an earlier time zone)
I think they want Texas & OU, but don't want TTech & OK State.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 8:38 am to TigerintheNO
Everybody is happy at twelve teams but no one wants to get left out in the cold when the superconferences take shape. So, yeah, the Pac 12 will expand and yeah, they will take OU and OSU with or WITHOUT Texas. Why am I so certain?
Well, if the Pac 12 has to expand, what are the first legitimate expansion targets? What school between California and Oklahoma not already in the Pac 12 is a legitimate expansion target and worthy of possible Pac 12 membership? That's right, there are none and OU and OSU are just about the ONLY candidates. So, when it comes down to it the Pac 12 MUST HAVE OU and OSU if it is going to legitimately expand. So, it will take them at the first opportunity with or without Texas.
Well, if the Pac 12 has to expand, what are the first legitimate expansion targets? What school between California and Oklahoma not already in the Pac 12 is a legitimate expansion target and worthy of possible Pac 12 membership? That's right, there are none and OU and OSU are just about the ONLY candidates. So, when it comes down to it the Pac 12 MUST HAVE OU and OSU if it is going to legitimately expand. So, it will take them at the first opportunity with or without Texas.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 9:54 am to TDawg1313
I don't see UT leaving without Texas Tech
Posted on 9/15/11 at 10:08 am to Analyze That
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Well, if the Pac 12 has to expand, what are the first legitimate expansion targets? What school between California and Oklahoma not already in the Pac 12 is a legitimate expansion target and worthy of possible Pac 12 membership? That's right, there are none and OU and OSU are just about the ONLY candidates.
This is all the more reason why getting Texas is so HUGE for the Pac 12/14/16.
OU is a great national brand for big games but out of a 12 game schedule, that is 4 or 5 games a year. Most of OU's schedule is nationally unappealing. Scott had always wanted to make a major splash in realignment. Scott knows that if he misses out on Texas, there is no other A+ option to deliver in terms of bringing massive #s of eyeballs to TVs. If Scott wants a game-changer, Texas is the only option.
A lot of people think that Texas is bluffing by flirting with the ACC, and this may be true, but Scott may also be bluffing by talking about OU & OSU without Texas. The Pac 10 presidents were willing to bring on joke schools like Tech and Okie State to get Texas. To have to bring them in without getting the Texas markets is a bitter pill to swallow to the West Coast academic elites.
It was one thing to bring on marginal programs/universities while going from 10 to 12 because they were functional, getting to 12 allowed the conference to have a title game which means huge TV money. Now, the diminishing returns of adding a school hits you in the face and the pocketbook.
If the age of the 16 team superconference hits us and Scott doesn't find a way to land Texas, he failed in his promises to the Pac 10 presidents to do something dynamic. He doesn't want this to happen.
And, please, don't try to morph this into me being arrogant. We all know the financial differences between adding OU vs adding Texas.
This post was edited on 9/15/11 at 10:09 am
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