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HP to kill its PC business and also WebOS based tablets, phones

Posted on 8/18/11 at 2:21 pm
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 8/18/11 at 2:21 pm
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Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ), the world’s largest computer maker, said it is in talks to buy Autonomy Corp. and is exploring strategic options for its personal- computer business.

Hewlett-Packard will discontinue its line of products running its WebOS operating system, including TouchPad tablets, the company also said in a statement today. The company is considering paying a premium of more than 60 percent in an all- cash $10 billion offer for Autonomy, people familiar with the matter said earlier.

Chief Executive Officer Leo Apotheker, who took the helm at Hewlett-Packard in November, has said he wants to expand in software and so-called cloud services, which help customers perform computing tasks over the Internet. Hewlett-Packard has been aiming to lessen its dependence on PCs, where growth has stalled as consumers flock to smartphones and tablet-style computers like those made by Apple Inc. (AAPL)

“This is the direction we want him to take,” said Abhey Lamba, an analyst at ISI Group in New York. “Get out of a low- margin business and focus more on his core competency, which is software.”

Bloomberg article

ETA: More Links

Edited title for more dramatic effect.
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 7:42 pm
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/18/11 at 2:23 pm to
LOLerskates. Someone please dig up the PALM thread so we can revel in our foresight of this $1B+post-acquisition-costs epic fail. Blue chip company though, right Zilla?
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 8/18/11 at 2:31 pm to
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The main technology, 'Intelligent Data Operating Layer' (IDOL), allows search and processing of text taken from database, audio, video or text files or streams. The processing of such information by IDOL is referred to by Autonomy as Meaning-Based Computing.[17]

Autonomy's technology attempts to understand any form of unstructured information, whether text, voice, or video, and based on that understanding perform automatic operations such as but not limited to, "you like that, you'd like this" on the information.


Unless they have a patent portfolio that will make Amazon and NetFlix pay them royalties, I just don't see this as an adequate replacement for the PC and Tablet business. They better hope people don't stop printing anytime soon.
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4328 posts
Posted on 8/18/11 at 2:36 pm to
The news is breaking every where now: LINK

Not long ago, I heard that HP was planning to put the WebOS operating system on all their computers (alongside regular Windows), not just on their phones/tablets. Wonder what happened to that plan?
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 2:43 pm
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/18/11 at 2:39 pm to
They fired their CEO and the board realized their management is a bunch of fricktards.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/18/11 at 2:44 pm to
Just reading the first link, Autonomy's business appears to be enterprise-related, not consumer. They said they were biting the bullet and dumping webOS (which I think is a smart move, after such a dumb one), they didn't say they were going to stop making hardware altogether. I realize the headline says "to spin off," but the only mention of that is a completely unsupported "thinking about exploring strategic options" line in the first sentence. If they do indeed decide to spin it off, its not relevant to HP anymore, so it doesn't need to replace anything.
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 8/18/11 at 6:02 pm to
I think it is terrible that HP kept marketing the Touchpad and kept it on the market into this announcement. They totally screwed everyone that bought one. These people spent $500 for something that was bricked after only two or so months.

No software updates, no more apps, no updates for apps already purchased, etc.

They need to make it right. That is dirty pool.
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
10650 posts
Posted on 8/18/11 at 6:04 pm to
wow

kfizz

26.69 aftermarket
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 6:05 pm
Posted by paps
Member since May 2011
198 posts
Posted on 8/18/11 at 9:29 pm to
I saw a touchpad commercial about 10 minutes ago
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4328 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 3:35 pm to
Is HPQ a good buy now or is there a good chance it will fall further?

quote:

Shares of Hewlett-Packard tumbled Friday following the company's announcement that it is seeking to spin-off its PC division and will kill off the hardware line it built around Palm's webOS.

HP's (HPQ, Fortune 500) stock ended the day down $5.91, or 20%, closing at $23.60 per share. That marks the stock's lowest level since Aug. 16, 2005, mere months after Carly Fiorina was forced out as CEO. Shares even fell below the nadir they hit during the depths of the Great Recession in March 2009.




Posted by LurkerIndeed
Fat Guy In A Little Coat
Member since Nov 2008
842 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 10:54 pm to
Too bad RIM wasted its money on QNX, now that WebOS is there for the taking...
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
66913 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 4:56 am to
We are going with the IBM model it seems. I still can't believe they purchased Palm.

They didn't give the touchpad much of a chance....but it didn't have one in the first place.

I'm just glad I am in the servers part of the business.
This post was edited on 8/20/11 at 4:57 am
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4328 posts
Posted on 8/21/11 at 4:23 am to
The HP TouchPad $99 debacle. Corporate Mismanagement 101:

quote:

Choice 1) Sell HP Touchpad initially for $200, a loss of $100 for each tablet. Gain large market share and mindshare. Developers get on board and build apps. Create a great ecosystem. Have a strong foothold in one of the fastest growing and profitable market segments in the technology industry ever.

Choice 2) Kill off an entire brand in 40 days. Sell HP Touchpad at $99. Lose $300 each touchpad with no hope of a return on investment. Essentially kill off WebOS mindshare by stating you are "discontinuing it". Create a terrible PR with your customers just when the Touchpad was starting to become recognized. Lose $XX billion in stocks. Piss off basically everyone and their grandmother. Upset shareholders. Alienate customers, distributors, carriers.


Will this lead to Leo's eventual dismissal or was it all part of the Board's long term strategy to turn HP into another IBM/Oracle focussing on large margin enterprise service business?
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10712 posts
Posted on 8/21/11 at 9:32 am to
Thats a huge assumption in #1. I don't blame them, holding inventory = loosing money. Besides, they are getting out of that business, so they probably just said to hell with our customers.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/21/11 at 11:29 am to
Agreed, and gaining market share while losing money hand over fist is completely useless unless you have some other revenue stream on which to capitalize on that market share. HP doesn't have that, no one but Apple does (iTunes, etc). However, I hope other tablet manufacturers are paying attention, this is a literal once in a lifetime opportunity into the collective minds of the tablet market. Once HP's inventory is liquidated and they're just re-selling on ebay, you'll have a real market price point to work from.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25095 posts
Posted on 8/21/11 at 12:14 pm to
I'm expecting just north of $200 to be the equlibrium. I completely agree with you kfiz.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/21/11 at 12:59 pm to
Me too, I think $200 for the 16g is about my expectation. Now, to throw some valuation analysis into it, I think you could say that's already priced at a large discount for obvious reasons (let say 50% for shits and giggles), and that it lacks an important feature that I think can and will have to be a standard on almost all future tablets, 3/4G, so attach another discount (10%) to that. So, reverse those discounts, and I think your standard, run-of-the-mill 2H 2011/2012 tab should price just over $300. Get them in the $3-400 range instead of the $5-600 range and they will start selling.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25095 posts
Posted on 8/21/11 at 2:05 pm to
So then consider a cost-benefit analysis for the OEM. Is it worth sacrificing $100-200 margin for greater volume?

I do not know enough about the conditions of their factories, but at least assuming greater volumes can be produced (have not reached maximum capacity) than current levels, OEMs can spread fixed costs across and greater volume of products, helping with margins a little.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25095 posts
Posted on 8/21/11 at 5:04 pm to
Just bought 2!
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25095 posts
Posted on 8/21/11 at 5:27 pm to
This one day event could single handedly evolve the tablet market moving forward. This is absurd.
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